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"Harms 0% non-old and non-weak population" -- completely 100% demonstrably false. One of my friends older sisters, in her late 20's came down with the flu at n

"Harms 0% non-old and non-weak population" -- completely 100% demonstrably false. One of my friends older sisters, in her late 20's came down with the flu at night, then in the morning didn't go to school (she was a teacher) b/c she was sick. She went to the hospital that evening and was dead before midnight from inflammation of the heart caused by the Flu.

jjcon 4y ago
That is heartbreaking for sure. I think OP is trying to say or raise the possibility that the alternative could be much worse on a population level scale. I certainly have the same question but no background in this area to know myself.
- di456 4y ago
  OP is repeating misinformation and conspiracy theories. We already have flu vaccines. The article is about a different type of vaccine for the flu.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    I think there is a good faith discussion though to be had about whether or not this could select for more deadly traits, no? That is certainly my first uneducated but good faith question that comes to mind after the past few years we’ve all been through.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > there is a good faith discussion though to be had about whether or not this could select for more deadly traits, no In the history of vaccination, has this ever happened? What has happened is resistance to medicine. Vaccines reduce the opportunity for pathogens to be exposed to drugs by reducing the incidence and severity of illness. It’s fine to take time to make informed medical decisions. But if your concern is resistance, vaccines are a friend.
      - HPsquared 4y ago
        Not with humans, but it has happened in chickens. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention It seems to be related to "leaky" vaccines.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        Interesting. Curious why we haven’t seen a similar effect with SARS-CoV-2 or the poliovirus.
        Izkata 4y ago
        IIRC it took about 20 years to be apparent with Marek's disease. The polio vaccines aren't "leaky", but we are seeing increasing problems with oral-vaccine-derived polio now: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2022-DON408 https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2... - there are more cases of this than of "wild" polio nowadays.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > polio vaccines aren't "leaky" Non-sterilising polio vaccines prevent illness but not infection and re-transmission. OPV is the one that sterilises.
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jjcon 4y ago

That is heartbreaking for sure. I think OP is trying to say or raise the possibility that the alternative could be much worse on a population level scale. I certainly have the same question but no background in this area to know myself.

di456 4y ago
OP is repeating misinformation and conspiracy theories. We already have flu vaccines. The article is about a different type of vaccine for the flu.
- jjcon 4y ago
  I think there is a good faith discussion though to be had about whether or not this could select for more deadly traits, no? That is certainly my first uneducated but good faith question that comes to mind after the past few years we’ve all been through.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > there is a good faith discussion though to be had about whether or not this could select for more deadly traits, no In the history of vaccination, has this ever happened? What has happened is resistance to medicine. Vaccines reduce the opportunity for pathogens to be exposed to drugs by reducing the incidence and severity of illness. It’s fine to take time to make informed medical decisions. But if your concern is resistance, vaccines are a friend.
    - HPsquared 4y ago
      Not with humans, but it has happened in chickens. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention It seems to be related to "leaky" vaccines.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        Interesting. Curious why we haven’t seen a similar effect with SARS-CoV-2 or the poliovirus.
        Izkata 4y ago
        IIRC it took about 20 years to be apparent with Marek's disease. The polio vaccines aren't "leaky", but we are seeing increasing problems with oral-vaccine-derived polio now: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2022-DON408 https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2... - there are more cases of this than of "wild" polio nowadays.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > polio vaccines aren't "leaky" Non-sterilising polio vaccines prevent illness but not infection and re-transmission. OPV is the one that sterilises.

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