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One thing I noticed is that you have to watch out for the protein content in vegetarian "meat", it is sometimes quite low. It varies a lot depending on which ty

by epups 4y ago

One thing I noticed is that you have to watch out for the protein content in vegetarian "meat", it is sometimes quite low. It varies a lot depending on which type though.

doix 4y ago
I think the amino acid profile is more important, because it's not really stated anywhere. You don't need to really worry about it with meat, but with non meat sources, you (allegedly?) need to start thinking about it. I am a degenerate that consumes a lot of Huel, and they claim to think about it but who knows if our understanding is good enough to properly model this stuff.
windexh8er 4y ago
High protein is not a diet requirement and studies have shown detriment to too much protein consumption. The protein craze is a marketing gimmick, yet most westerners are drawn in by products that advertise it and seem to be concerned about it even when they live a lifestyle that doesn't require increased protein consumption [0]. [0] https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-you-getting-too-much-protein https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speak...
- doix 4y ago
  > People who exercise regularly also have higher needs, about 1.1–1.5 grams per kilogram. People who regularly lift weights, or are training for a running or cycling event need 1.2–1.7 grams per kilogram That's a quote from your article, which matches what gym bros tell you that you need. It's actually pretty hard to get that much even if you eat meat whilst trying to eat only 2-3k calories.
  - windexh8er 4y ago
    I'm curious what your diet consists of? And how many people you know of in Western society that have been diagnosed with "protein deficiency". I'd wager a guess that the answer is zero. I don't eat red/white meat and I fulfill daily protein intake easily for my activity levels while staying under 2k cals. My diet is mostly fruits, veggies, nuts for lunch (sometimes cheeses, beans/lentils). If you think meat is where it's at for protein you'd be way off base. Red meat barely makes it into the top 10 if you're generalizing foods. At that rate you're well over 3k calories by eating nutritionally boring foods (spoiler: meat isn't very well rounded). Finally it's very easy to overestimate working out. But most people who are actually into fitness can also calculate where and how to get their protein correctly as well and know where it's most beneficial, for them, to get it from. I can tell you hardcore "gym bros" aren't all focusing on meat.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  The protein craze is not a marketing gimmick and your own article disproves what you say here
  - windexh8er 4y ago
    You can think that, but I don't agree. When entire stores pop up around products which, the majority they're selling have labeling highlighting protein content, it's not marketing? And if some, or many, of those products are filling said products with low quality / cheap protein that's not a gimmick? Not all protein is the same. I'd say there's plenty of marketing gimmicks around protein. Case in point... Check out GNC's website. Open the source. As of writing this, on the front page, protein is called out 98 times. Fiber? 4. Nutrition? 6. Search products on their site... When searching for protein it shows 1004 products. Fiber? 31. Nutrition? 304. I'm sure that the Ghost Whey Protein powder [0] that tastes like Chips Ahoy cookies - isn't a gimmick at all. But, what do I know? Feel free to share with me any studies highlighting the rampant protein deficiency epidemic in the west. I'd love to read them. [0] https://www.gnc.com/whey-protein/527950.html#q=protein&lang=default&start=1 https://www.gnc.com/whey-protein/527950.html#q=protein&lang=...
someNameIG 4y ago
Plant based sources of protein have all the essential amino acids, just in different ratios to meat, and maybe a little less bioavailable. Though I've never seen any literature indicating that this has any negative effect on the average person. Maybe in athletes but they will generally have a more controlled diet anyway, supplementing protein with things like shakes.

by epups 4y ago

One thing I noticed is that you have to watch out for the protein content in vegetarian "meat", it is sometimes quite low. It varies a lot depending on which type though.

doix 4y ago

I think the amino acid profile is more important, because it's not really stated anywhere. You don't need to really worry about it with meat, but with non meat sources, you (allegedly?) need to start thinking about it. I am a degenerate that consumes a lot of Huel, and they claim to think about it but who knows if our understanding is good enough to properly model this stuff.

windexh8er 4y ago

High protein is not a diet requirement and studies have shown detriment to too much protein consumption. The protein craze is a marketing gimmick, yet most westerners are drawn in by products that advertise it and seem to be concerned about it even when they live a lifestyle that doesn't require increased protein consumption [0]. [0] https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-you-getting-too-much-protein https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speak...

doix 4y ago
> People who exercise regularly also have higher needs, about 1.1–1.5 grams per kilogram. People who regularly lift weights, or are training for a running or cycling event need 1.2–1.7 grams per kilogram That's a quote from your article, which matches what gym bros tell you that you need. It's actually pretty hard to get that much even if you eat meat whilst trying to eat only 2-3k calories.
- windexh8er 4y ago
  I'm curious what your diet consists of? And how many people you know of in Western society that have been diagnosed with "protein deficiency". I'd wager a guess that the answer is zero. I don't eat red/white meat and I fulfill daily protein intake easily for my activity levels while staying under 2k cals. My diet is mostly fruits, veggies, nuts for lunch (sometimes cheeses, beans/lentils). If you think meat is where it's at for protein you'd be way off base. Red meat barely makes it into the top 10 if you're generalizing foods. At that rate you're well over 3k calories by eating nutritionally boring foods (spoiler: meat isn't very well rounded). Finally it's very easy to overestimate working out. But most people who are actually into fitness can also calculate where and how to get their protein correctly as well and know where it's most beneficial, for them, to get it from. I can tell you hardcore "gym bros" aren't all focusing on meat.
edgyquant 4y ago
The protein craze is not a marketing gimmick and your own article disproves what you say here
- windexh8er 4y ago
  You can think that, but I don't agree. When entire stores pop up around products which, the majority they're selling have labeling highlighting protein content, it's not marketing? And if some, or many, of those products are filling said products with low quality / cheap protein that's not a gimmick? Not all protein is the same. I'd say there's plenty of marketing gimmicks around protein. Case in point... Check out GNC's website. Open the source. As of writing this, on the front page, protein is called out 98 times. Fiber? 4. Nutrition? 6. Search products on their site... When searching for protein it shows 1004 products. Fiber? 31. Nutrition? 304. I'm sure that the Ghost Whey Protein powder [0] that tastes like Chips Ahoy cookies - isn't a gimmick at all. But, what do I know? Feel free to share with me any studies highlighting the rampant protein deficiency epidemic in the west. I'd love to read them. [0] https://www.gnc.com/whey-protein/527950.html#q=protein&lang=default&start=1 https://www.gnc.com/whey-protein/527950.html#q=protein&lang=...

someNameIG 4y ago

Plant based sources of protein have all the essential amino acids, just in different ratios to meat, and maybe a little less bioavailable. Though I've never seen any literature indicating that this has any negative effect on the average person. Maybe in athletes but they will generally have a more controlled diet anyway, supplementing protein with things like shakes.