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I then got banned from their Telegram group for mentioning that I managed to make multi-map support work on my fork... [EDIT: Actually not, that was a misunders

I then got banned from their Telegram group for mentioning that I managed to make multi-map support work on my fork... [EDIT: Actually not, that was a misunderstanding on my part.] That said, the dustcloud OS that Valetudo is built upon is pretty amazing and for a Dreame W10 - the robot that I have - you only need a 3.3V USB to UART adapter to gain root, install dustcloud OS and thereby get an ssh server running on the robot. The necessary pins were accessible without any disassembly at all. Once you have dustcloud OS, it'll redirect any China cloud DNS to localhost. You can then ssh into the robot to install Valetudo or an alternative. Here's my log of the rooting experience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34137078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34137078

rubenbe 4y ago
Valetudo is an awesome project. But indeed the main developer's refusal to add multi-map support is its biggest disadvantage. (But of course it's a maintainers fair right) Do you mind sharing your multi-map fork?
- fxtentacle 4y ago
  https://github.com/DeutscheKI/dreame-w10-valetudo-fork https://github.com/DeutscheKI/dreame-w10-valetudo-fork
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hypfer 4y ago
You were banned because you would not stop pinging me about implementing multi-floor support. Frankly, you're one of these people that are utterly incapable of accepting a "no" and would rather change the laws of physics then ever admitting that they're in the wrong. It's concerning to say the least. Not to start another discussion here though, but I won't allow you to continue this abuse by attempting to control the narrative.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  I wish you guys both cooled down. One added mutli-map, another refused to merge it. This would be a conflict story 20 years ago, today you just develop your fork on Github and the community takes care of the rest - if many people need multimap, some changes will happen sooner or later. I take the opportunity to thank both of you for your work as I plan to use it as soon as I find some free time to root my device.
  - hypfer 4y ago
    I have yet to see someone implement that feature in a non-hackish way that fully works reliably and future proof on all supported robots while also not introducing crippling technical debt that will hurt the project in the long run. All I've seen so far is people greatly reducing the scope by focusing on their single robot with their specific subset of use-case and then saying "hey look it's so easy". Yes, it is indeed easy if you drop most of the requirements. Who would've thought. That said, yes, that's exactly what open source is for. Someone can take the code and add modifications that cater to their specific need. Isn't it great. Anyway, the main issue here is not technical but human: You don't solve trust issues with your proposals by just adding more pressure to whoever it is that you're trying to get to do something for you.
    - aliqot 4y ago
      > I have yet to see someone implement that feature in a non-hackish way that fully works reliably and future proof on all supported robots while also not introducing crippling technical debt that will hurt the project in the long run. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. BDFL starts with the letter B.
      - hypfer 4y ago
        Well at the end of the day, yours truly will be responsible to clean up that mess. Why would I do that? Why would I consciously move into a situation that will be harmful to me? Also, the project is in a great state with lots of options in regards to robots. If you have multiple floors, just buy a second robot used for 60€ Why add any risk whatsoever just to save 60€? It makes no sense. It's a downright terrible idea to do that.
KomoD 4y ago
Looking at the repo, hypfer does seem like kind of an asshat.
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't cross into personal attacks. Even if you didn't owe people you feel are asshats better, you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - archi42 4y ago
    This might have been an inside joke, since the attack is very specific: The main dev, Hypfer, was called an asshat in a very similar tone by an anonymous GitHub user once; this sometimes surfaces as a kind of joke in the official Valetudo communication channels. Obviously this context isn't common internet knowledge ;-)
    - dang 4y ago
      Ah - unfortunately these things get pattern matched to the dumbest interpretation because it's the most common. Thanks for explaining.

rubenbe 4y ago

Valetudo is an awesome project. But indeed the main developer's refusal to add multi-map support is its biggest disadvantage. (But of course it's a maintainers fair right) Do you mind sharing your multi-map fork?

fxtentacle 4y ago
https://github.com/DeutscheKI/dreame-w10-valetudo-fork https://github.com/DeutscheKI/dreame-w10-valetudo-fork
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hypfer 4y ago

You were banned because you would not stop pinging me about implementing multi-floor support. Frankly, you're one of these people that are utterly incapable of accepting a "no" and would rather change the laws of physics then ever admitting that they're in the wrong. It's concerning to say the least. Not to start another discussion here though, but I won't allow you to continue this abuse by attempting to control the narrative.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
I wish you guys both cooled down. One added mutli-map, another refused to merge it. This would be a conflict story 20 years ago, today you just develop your fork on Github and the community takes care of the rest - if many people need multimap, some changes will happen sooner or later. I take the opportunity to thank both of you for your work as I plan to use it as soon as I find some free time to root my device.
- hypfer 4y ago
  I have yet to see someone implement that feature in a non-hackish way that fully works reliably and future proof on all supported robots while also not introducing crippling technical debt that will hurt the project in the long run. All I've seen so far is people greatly reducing the scope by focusing on their single robot with their specific subset of use-case and then saying "hey look it's so easy". Yes, it is indeed easy if you drop most of the requirements. Who would've thought. That said, yes, that's exactly what open source is for. Someone can take the code and add modifications that cater to their specific need. Isn't it great. Anyway, the main issue here is not technical but human: You don't solve trust issues with your proposals by just adding more pressure to whoever it is that you're trying to get to do something for you.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    > I have yet to see someone implement that feature in a non-hackish way that fully works reliably and future proof on all supported robots while also not introducing crippling technical debt that will hurt the project in the long run. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. BDFL starts with the letter B.
    - hypfer 4y ago
      Well at the end of the day, yours truly will be responsible to clean up that mess. Why would I do that? Why would I consciously move into a situation that will be harmful to me? Also, the project is in a great state with lots of options in regards to robots. If you have multiple floors, just buy a second robot used for 60€ Why add any risk whatsoever just to save 60€? It makes no sense. It's a downright terrible idea to do that.

KomoD 4y ago

Looking at the repo, hypfer does seem like kind of an asshat.

dang 4y ago
Please don't cross into personal attacks. Even if you didn't owe people you feel are asshats better, you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- archi42 4y ago
  This might have been an inside joke, since the attack is very specific: The main dev, Hypfer, was called an asshat in a very similar tone by an anonymous GitHub user once; this sometimes surfaces as a kind of joke in the official Valetudo communication channels. Obviously this context isn't common internet knowledge ;-)
  - dang 4y ago
    Ah - unfortunately these things get pattern matched to the dumbest interpretation because it's the most common. Thanks for explaining.