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I disagree with both. Code and business value are worthless. Boss approval is literally everything. It really doesn’t matter if your ideas make a ton of busin

I disagree with both. Code and business value are worthless. Boss approval is literally everything. It really doesn’t matter if your ideas make a ton of business sense if they are in conflict with your direct manager or any part in the chain of hierarchy. As long as they don’t like what you’re saying - you’re literally worse than worthless. Often this is because your idea isn’t their idea - therefore damage to ego. Damage to ego means get that guy out of here and make sure I don’t hear more from them. People need to understand that you’re hired for a job. You’re a glorified and well compensated code monkey. Even at $1m/yr - still a god damn code monkey. You jump when they say jump. I’ve yet to meet any hierarchy chains that are truly open minded to a low level IC saying anything that counters them. I’ve worked at quite a few places too and talked to a lot of folks about this. You’ll thank me in ten years because you’ll become a bootlicker and actually make progress in your career rather than being stuck in senior/staff until you burnout from the industry.

tester457 4y ago
This is the real answer. Ego is greater than business, money, and code.
tehjoker 4y ago
ahh and finally we get the real answer that careerism is about playing jester to the court of the mad king regardless of any other concerns if you don't want to be a jester and you want satisfaction doing a good job professionally you need a union
ro_sharp 4y ago
> You jump when they say jump Thankfully sometimes 'they' are the customers paying real money for a product or service that's valuable to them. But as you say, larger organizations have more room for political distractions on the way to giving that customer what they want.
hbrn 4y ago
> Boss approval is literally everything. This is such a sad corporate loser mentality. Bosses are humans. They can be wrong. They can be convinced. Even manipulated, if that's your game. > you’re hired for a job. You’re a glorified and well compensated code monkey Only if you choose to treat yourself like one. I'm hired for my domain expertise that my bosses lack. I can understand 60-80% of their domain, they can understand 5% of my domain. When I'm saying that feature that they want is a nice-to-have and I don't want to build it unless I see evidence of it's value, they usually listen. > I’ve yet to meet any hierarchy chains that are truly open minded to a low level IC saying anything that counters them I worked at multiple startups (between 4 and 100 in size) and I always had a voice, even early in my career. Maybe you're the problem? > you’ll become a bootlicker and actually make progress in your career rather than being stuck in senior/staff Where exactly does the bootlicker progress? A code monkey doesn't become VP/C-level through bootlicking, there are plenty others with much better soft skills. At best you'll be a code monkey turned manager (which is worse than staff).

tester457 4y ago

This is the real answer. Ego is greater than business, money, and code.

tehjoker 4y ago

ahh and finally we get the real answer that careerism is about playing jester to the court of the mad king regardless of any other concerns if you don't want to be a jester and you want satisfaction doing a good job professionally you need a union

ro_sharp 4y ago

> You jump when they say jump Thankfully sometimes 'they' are the customers paying real money for a product or service that's valuable to them. But as you say, larger organizations have more room for political distractions on the way to giving that customer what they want.

hbrn 4y ago

> Boss approval is literally everything. This is such a sad corporate loser mentality. Bosses are humans. They can be wrong. They can be convinced. Even manipulated, if that's your game. > you’re hired for a job. You’re a glorified and well compensated code monkey Only if you choose to treat yourself like one. I'm hired for my domain expertise that my bosses lack. I can understand 60-80% of their domain, they can understand 5% of my domain. When I'm saying that feature that they want is a nice-to-have and I don't want to build it unless I see evidence of it's value, they usually listen. > I’ve yet to meet any hierarchy chains that are truly open minded to a low level IC saying anything that counters them I worked at multiple startups (between 4 and 100 in size) and I always had a voice, even early in my career. Maybe you're the problem? > you’ll become a bootlicker and actually make progress in your career rather than being stuck in senior/staff Where exactly does the bootlicker progress? A code monkey doesn't become VP/C-level through bootlicking, there are plenty others with much better soft skills. At best you'll be a code monkey turned manager (which is worse than staff).