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The same could be said for mobile phones. Some things can be done quicker with physical buttons. That's why people thought phones with just a screen would nev

by TekMol 4y ago

The same could be said for mobile phones. Some things can be done quicker with physical buttons. That's why people thought phones with just a screen would never become popular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U But with a screen you can do many more things.

_visgean 4y ago
but should you be doing many more things while driving? (the answer is no)
- More-nitors 4y ago
  also, reaction time == safety
- TekMol 4y ago
  Should you be doing many more things while having a phone call? Turns out the concept of a phone changed. It seems the concept of cars also change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI I watched this in the morning today, and in the 38 minute ride, the guy was mostly doing other things. Recording a video etc. In the whole ride, I think he only did something related to "driving" for a few seconds.
  - richbell 4y ago
    > Should you be doing many more things while having a phone call? Turns out the concept of a phone changed. Being distracted during a phone call doesn't pose a risk of grievous injuries or death to yourself or others. Unless the nature of cars fundamentally changes, they should not under any circumstances be cool entertainment devices. Your focus should be on your mirrors and the road ahead. Full stop.
    - TekMol 4y ago
      Isn't that an argument to let computers handle the driving rather than humans? Computers are extremely good at calculating physics. And they never get distracted.
      - acdha 4y ago
        It’s an argument for continuing to develop that technology but this discussion is for the cars being built now, not in 2050. Self-driving technology isn’t even functional now and nowhere near the level of safety reliability it’ll need before you can say humans will never operate a particular vehicle and therefore it’s safe to remove the controls.
      - dontlaugh 4y ago
        It’s certainly an argument for public transportation, automated or not.
nkozyra 4y ago
Well phones typically have physical buttons for things you want to do quickly (volume rocker, power, camera shutter, home (sometimes) etc.) when you may not be expected to be looking at the phone. They seem to understand the split. A driver has only a few things they need to do while driving (beyond paying attention to the road) Menu diving to turn up the AC is just a fundamentally terrible idea, but car makers don't seem to care? I saw a recent Marques Brownlee review of his $130k Tesla S and Every. Single. Control. in the interior is a capacitive button. Absolutely insane to offer no tactile feedback https://youtu.be/34VZzBWBDN0 https://youtu.be/34VZzBWBDN0
- TekMol 4y ago
  The driver only needs to pay attention to the road when the software can't safely handle the situation. Software can already keep the car in the lane and at a distance to the car in front. Over time the situations it can handle will become more and more.
  - beardedwizard 4y ago
    The problem is that this is not actually happening. Tesla fsd is still a huge problem.
    - cycrutchfield 4y ago
      They weren’t talking about Tesla FSD
      - acdha 4y ago
        What they were talking about requires FSD. Car manufacturers have been adding various assistive features but none of them are at the level where it’s safe to direct your attention away from the road.
        TekMol 4y ago
        In Germany, Mercedes has a license to sell full self driving cars (the driver can write emails, watch movies, do whatever they like) that are allowed to enable FSD mode while on the highway and driving up to 60 km/h.
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by TekMol 4y ago

_visgean 4y ago

but should you be doing many more things while driving? (the answer is no)

More-nitors 4y ago
also, reaction time == safety
TekMol 4y ago
Should you be doing many more things while having a phone call? Turns out the concept of a phone changed. It seems the concept of cars also change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI I watched this in the morning today, and in the 38 minute ride, the guy was mostly doing other things. Recording a video etc. In the whole ride, I think he only did something related to "driving" for a few seconds.
- richbell 4y ago
  > Should you be doing many more things while having a phone call? Turns out the concept of a phone changed. Being distracted during a phone call doesn't pose a risk of grievous injuries or death to yourself or others. Unless the nature of cars fundamentally changes, they should not under any circumstances be cool entertainment devices. Your focus should be on your mirrors and the road ahead. Full stop.
  - TekMol 4y ago
    Isn't that an argument to let computers handle the driving rather than humans? Computers are extremely good at calculating physics. And they never get distracted.
    - acdha 4y ago
      It’s an argument for continuing to develop that technology but this discussion is for the cars being built now, not in 2050. Self-driving technology isn’t even functional now and nowhere near the level of safety reliability it’ll need before you can say humans will never operate a particular vehicle and therefore it’s safe to remove the controls.
    - dontlaugh 4y ago
      It’s certainly an argument for public transportation, automated or not.

nkozyra 4y ago

Well phones typically have physical buttons for things you want to do quickly (volume rocker, power, camera shutter, home (sometimes) etc.) when you may not be expected to be looking at the phone. They seem to understand the split. A driver has only a few things they need to do while driving (beyond paying attention to the road) Menu diving to turn up the AC is just a fundamentally terrible idea, but car makers don't seem to care? I saw a recent Marques Brownlee review of his $130k Tesla S and Every. Single. Control. in the interior is a capacitive button. Absolutely insane to offer no tactile feedback https://youtu.be/34VZzBWBDN0 https://youtu.be/34VZzBWBDN0

TekMol 4y ago
The driver only needs to pay attention to the road when the software can't safely handle the situation. Software can already keep the car in the lane and at a distance to the car in front. Over time the situations it can handle will become more and more.
- beardedwizard 4y ago
  The problem is that this is not actually happening. Tesla fsd is still a huge problem.
  - cycrutchfield 4y ago
    They weren’t talking about Tesla FSD
    - acdha 4y ago
      What they were talking about requires FSD. Car manufacturers have been adding various assistive features but none of them are at the level where it’s safe to direct your attention away from the road.
      - TekMol 4y ago
        In Germany, Mercedes has a license to sell full self driving cars (the driver can write emails, watch movies, do whatever they like) that are allowed to enable FSD mode while on the highway and driving up to 60 km/h.

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