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Do you put on a seat belt when you're at a car dealer and try sitting in a car? You never know, a car might come through the window and hit the car you're in an

Do you put on a seat belt when you're at a car dealer and try sitting in a car? You never know, a car might come through the window and hit the car you're in and you'll be glad you had that seat belt on. Most people won't though, they see the risk for what it is, too low for them to worry about. It is, of course, up to you.

komali2 4y ago
Your analogy doesn't make sense, mine does. You're ignoring the two other upsides of a covid vaccine, that being lower likelihood of contracting covid, and, lower likelihood of spreading covid if infected. These are valuable social side effects of getting vaccinated with a highly tested, demonstrably safe vaccine.
- brigandish 4y ago
  I’m using the most important measure - risk. Regardless of whether your claims are true or not, they are simply moot if the risk is low, and the risk is low, very low for young and healthy people. Much like needing a seat belt in a stationary car parked in a building where no other cars move around.
  - komali2 4y ago
    Another reason your analogy fails is it makes sense to always put your seatbelt on when you get into a car, regardless of if your initial intention is, for whatever reason, to remain stationary in the parking garage: typically one gets into a car and immediately begins driving. It's a very good idea to 99% of the time have your seatbelt on when you're in a car. The habit of putting your seatbelt on when getting into a car, and only taking it off immediately before getting out of the car, is a very good one to have. Given that the downside of wearing your seatbelt is essentially nothing, the added "cost" of wearing your seatbelt the 1% of the time you're in your car and it's sitting in a parking garage is well worth it. Plus, you're eliminating the risk of driving off and forgetting to put your seatbelt on, after sitting comfortably with it off and immobile for however long.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      I even put on my seat belt when I realise I've forgotten something in the car. I get in, put the seat belt on - for all the reasons you gave - and then I get my umbrella or phone or whatever it is (which can be a pain with the seat belt on, but I'm doing this for society so I make sure to take my responsibilities seriously) and then take off the seat belt and get out, safe in the knowledge that I dealt with all that minuscule risk in the best way possible. Do I need to add /s or was that clear enough? The idea that I should put a seat belt on while looking at a car inside a car dealership just in case I forget to put on my seat belt when I'm going for a drive (keeping in mind that all modern cars have seat belt indicators) is such a reach that I'm aghast that you bothered me and anyone else who has the misfortune to read your comment with such low quality nonsense. You believe in taking the vaccine under all circumstances, we get that, but to provide this kind of garbage - and it is garbage - to justify it, only makes your position seem weaker than it was before you wrote that. I'm am not a student and this is not the 4th floor common room for new undergrads. What other medical interventions do you believe we should provide to people who are at close to zero risk from the maladies they protect against? Please peruse this list[1] and tell us all which we should or shouldn't get, or maybe we should get them all just in case. Perhaps tell everyone why they should get the Yellow Fever vaccine even though they are not at risk of contracting it usually. You never know, perhaps they'll bump into someone just back from an area with Yellow Fever and contract it and we'll have to call in Dr House and his team… [1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html
      - komali2 4y ago
        Many of those we do all get vaccinated against as children. It sounds like you're opposed to vaccines until they pass a magic "recently dead" threshhold? Apparently that threshhold is higher than 6.7 million, which is COVID's death count so far. So where's it at? Or perhaps you erroneously believe it's possible to live in a functional society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever to eachother and the maintenance of that society? lol, should we stop vaccinating against polio (in that list you linked) cause nobody's died from it recently? I mean, the chance of dying from polio is 0, right? You say this isn't an undergraduate dorm basement but you're using couch-in-the-garage arguments here. Honestly the CDC article for parents concerned about vaccinating their kids basically handles what you've said so far: https://www.unicef.org/parenting/health/parents-frequently-asked-questions-vaccines https://www.unicef.org/parenting/health/parents-frequently-a... > But these diseases are not present in my community. Do I still need to vaccinate my child? > Yes. Although the diseases may be eliminated in your country or region, our increasingly interconnected world means that these diseases could spread from areas where they are still present. > What is herd immunity? > If enough people in your community are immunized against a certain disease, you can reach something called herd immunity. When this happens, diseases can’t spread easily from person to person because most people are immune. This provides a layer of protection against the disease even for those who cannot be vaccinated, such as infants. > Herd immunity also prevents outbreaks by making it difficult for the disease to spread. The disease will become more and more rare, sometimes even disappearing entirely from the community. Even if the risk of outright death to you is low, you have a responsibility to create a link in the herd immunity chain (even though covid vaccines don't provide true immunity), to help prevent those rare few who legitimately shouldn't get vaccinated, from getting infected. That's not even mentioning that COVID doesn't necessarily have to kill you to make you wish you'd got vaccinated: i know plenty who got infected pre-vaccines that suffer long term side effects in terms of their breathing ability, one of whom was a marathon runner. Tell me he wasn't healthy before? Why do you reject this social responsibility, that has the upside of making a possible covid infection for you dramatically less likely to hospitalize you, let alone prevent long covid as well as simply make an infection less uncomfortable?

komali2 4y ago

Your analogy doesn't make sense, mine does. You're ignoring the two other upsides of a covid vaccine, that being lower likelihood of contracting covid, and, lower likelihood of spreading covid if infected. These are valuable social side effects of getting vaccinated with a highly tested, demonstrably safe vaccine.

brigandish 4y ago
I’m using the most important measure - risk. Regardless of whether your claims are true or not, they are simply moot if the risk is low, and the risk is low, very low for young and healthy people. Much like needing a seat belt in a stationary car parked in a building where no other cars move around.
- komali2 4y ago
  Another reason your analogy fails is it makes sense to always put your seatbelt on when you get into a car, regardless of if your initial intention is, for whatever reason, to remain stationary in the parking garage: typically one gets into a car and immediately begins driving. It's a very good idea to 99% of the time have your seatbelt on when you're in a car. The habit of putting your seatbelt on when getting into a car, and only taking it off immediately before getting out of the car, is a very good one to have. Given that the downside of wearing your seatbelt is essentially nothing, the added "cost" of wearing your seatbelt the 1% of the time you're in your car and it's sitting in a parking garage is well worth it. Plus, you're eliminating the risk of driving off and forgetting to put your seatbelt on, after sitting comfortably with it off and immobile for however long.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    I even put on my seat belt when I realise I've forgotten something in the car. I get in, put the seat belt on - for all the reasons you gave - and then I get my umbrella or phone or whatever it is (which can be a pain with the seat belt on, but I'm doing this for society so I make sure to take my responsibilities seriously) and then take off the seat belt and get out, safe in the knowledge that I dealt with all that minuscule risk in the best way possible. Do I need to add /s or was that clear enough? The idea that I should put a seat belt on while looking at a car inside a car dealership just in case I forget to put on my seat belt when I'm going for a drive (keeping in mind that all modern cars have seat belt indicators) is such a reach that I'm aghast that you bothered me and anyone else who has the misfortune to read your comment with such low quality nonsense. You believe in taking the vaccine under all circumstances, we get that, but to provide this kind of garbage - and it is garbage - to justify it, only makes your position seem weaker than it was before you wrote that. I'm am not a student and this is not the 4th floor common room for new undergrads. What other medical interventions do you believe we should provide to people who are at close to zero risk from the maladies they protect against? Please peruse this list[1] and tell us all which we should or shouldn't get, or maybe we should get them all just in case. Perhaps tell everyone why they should get the Yellow Fever vaccine even though they are not at risk of contracting it usually. You never know, perhaps they'll bump into someone just back from an area with Yellow Fever and contract it and we'll have to call in Dr House and his team… [1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html
    - komali2 4y ago
      Many of those we do all get vaccinated against as children. It sounds like you're opposed to vaccines until they pass a magic "recently dead" threshhold? Apparently that threshhold is higher than 6.7 million, which is COVID's death count so far. So where's it at? Or perhaps you erroneously believe it's possible to live in a functional society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever to eachother and the maintenance of that society? lol, should we stop vaccinating against polio (in that list you linked) cause nobody's died from it recently? I mean, the chance of dying from polio is 0, right? You say this isn't an undergraduate dorm basement but you're using couch-in-the-garage arguments here. Honestly the CDC article for parents concerned about vaccinating their kids basically handles what you've said so far: https://www.unicef.org/parenting/health/parents-frequently-asked-questions-vaccines https://www.unicef.org/parenting/health/parents-frequently-a... > But these diseases are not present in my community. Do I still need to vaccinate my child? > Yes. Although the diseases may be eliminated in your country or region, our increasingly interconnected world means that these diseases could spread from areas where they are still present. > What is herd immunity? > If enough people in your community are immunized against a certain disease, you can reach something called herd immunity. When this happens, diseases can’t spread easily from person to person because most people are immune. This provides a layer of protection against the disease even for those who cannot be vaccinated, such as infants. > Herd immunity also prevents outbreaks by making it difficult for the disease to spread. The disease will become more and more rare, sometimes even disappearing entirely from the community. Even if the risk of outright death to you is low, you have a responsibility to create a link in the herd immunity chain (even though covid vaccines don't provide true immunity), to help prevent those rare few who legitimately shouldn't get vaccinated, from getting infected. That's not even mentioning that COVID doesn't necessarily have to kill you to make you wish you'd got vaccinated: i know plenty who got infected pre-vaccines that suffer long term side effects in terms of their breathing ability, one of whom was a marathon runner. Tell me he wasn't healthy before? Why do you reject this social responsibility, that has the upside of making a possible covid infection for you dramatically less likely to hospitalize you, let alone prevent long covid as well as simply make an infection less uncomfortable?