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> We share a common struggle within the BSD community, and more broadly among Unix-like OSs that aren’t Linux. Think Minix, illumos, heck maybe even big iron UN

> We share a common struggle within the BSD community, and more broadly among Unix-like OSs that aren’t Linux. Think Minix, illumos, heck maybe even big iron UNIX. Linux is now perceived as the default Linux and Minix are the only two "Unix-like OSs" mentioned here. Everything else, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Illumos and especially, but not exclusively, "big iron UNIX," are not "Unix-like." They're Unix. We don't need to apologize for that nor tip toe around the fact that GNU/Linux is not Unix. It's literally what the acronym means.

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djur 4y ago
UNIX is a brand. You get to use it if you get certified as compliant with the Single UNIX Specification. Linux isn't, but neither are any of the BSDs.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  The EulerOS Linux distro from Huawei was "UNIX® certified" at some point, although I think it expired as it turned out that no one really cared.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > UNIX is a brand But Unix isn't. The BSDs have always been and will always be Unix. GNU/Linux is not Unix. > but neither are any of the BSDs. macOS is BSD, and it is registered as UNIX 03 compliant from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard up to and including macOS 13 Ventura, with macOS 11, 12, and 13 registered on both x86-64 and ARM64 systems.
  - djur 4y ago
    You didn't include MacOS in your original comment and I wasn't referring to it. The fact that some parts of modern BSD systems are derived from the original Unix is interesting in a Ship of Theseus sense but it tells us nothing useful about them.
Beltalowda 4y ago
The default motd on OpenBSD is "Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system." You can argue what exactly is or isn't "Unix" until you're blue in the face as there are multiple definitions you can use (lineage of the code, trademark, posix compliance, etc.) It's a very boring discussion though.
- Maursault 4y ago
  OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD which is derived from 4.3BSD-Reno, and like all BSD, ultimately derives from Research UNIX. The original Berkley Software Distributions all referred to themselves as Unix and upon logging in a user would see a "Welcome to BSD Unix" text banner. Linux derives from Minix which, beyond using a BSD userland, is otherwise unsourced from and unrelated to BSD and UNIX. GNU is a recursive acronym that literally means "GNU's Not Unix!"

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djur 4y ago

UNIX is a brand. You get to use it if you get certified as compliant with the Single UNIX Specification. Linux isn't, but neither are any of the BSDs.

Beltalowda 4y ago
The EulerOS Linux distro from Huawei was "UNIX® certified" at some point, although I think it expired as it turned out that no one really cared.
Maursault 4y ago
> UNIX is a brand But Unix isn't. The BSDs have always been and will always be Unix. GNU/Linux is not Unix. > but neither are any of the BSDs. macOS is BSD, and it is registered as UNIX 03 compliant from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard up to and including macOS 13 Ventura, with macOS 11, 12, and 13 registered on both x86-64 and ARM64 systems.
- djur 4y ago
  You didn't include MacOS in your original comment and I wasn't referring to it. The fact that some parts of modern BSD systems are derived from the original Unix is interesting in a Ship of Theseus sense but it tells us nothing useful about them.

Beltalowda 4y ago

The default motd on OpenBSD is "Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system." You can argue what exactly is or isn't "Unix" until you're blue in the face as there are multiple definitions you can use (lineage of the code, trademark, posix compliance, etc.) It's a very boring discussion though.

Maursault 4y ago
OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD which is derived from 4.3BSD-Reno, and like all BSD, ultimately derives from Research UNIX. The original Berkley Software Distributions all referred to themselves as Unix and upon logging in a user would see a "Welcome to BSD Unix" text banner. Linux derives from Minix which, beyond using a BSD userland, is otherwise unsourced from and unrelated to BSD and UNIX. GNU is a recursive acronym that literally means "GNU's Not Unix!"