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Where do you commonly find seed oils? - fast food - nearly all processed snacks (chips, cookies, etc) Cutting out seed oils is a good heuristic even if only

by fierro 4y ago

Where do you commonly find seed oils? - fast food - nearly all processed snacks (chips, cookies, etc) Cutting out seed oils is a good heuristic even if only to serve as a compass for avoiding foods that are widely accepted to be unhealthy. If you dig deeper, you may come to the conclusion, as I have, that these foods are unhealthy because of the seeds oils in them (in part).

tootie 4y ago
Yeah I think the actual distinction he is drawing is between the cheapest fats (soy, corn oil) and the classic and relatively expensive fats (butter or olive oil). It's correlation between cheap ingredients used in cheap, low-quality, often deep-fried or highly-processed foods. I'm sure a salad with extra virgin corn oil would be fine but nobody eats that.
- fierro 4y ago
  they are cheap due to the scalable industrial processes than enable seed oils to be extracted from comparatively cheap raws (seeds vs. olives/avos) and it's this process that contributes to the negative health outcomes associated with these oils. The extraction process oxidizes the oils and makes them essentially rancid.
joe-collins 4y ago
A "processed" food is simply one that has any amount of added salt, sugar, or fat. Many snacks include seed oils, I'm sure, but "nearly all" processed foods certainly do not. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/processed-foods/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/processed-foods...
- weakfortress 4y ago
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- fierro 4y ago
  sure if that's a technicality you want to call out. What I meant is -- go down the grocery store snack aisles. Look at the chips, popcorns, cookies, etc. Anything in a brightly colored box in those snack aisles. 100% of the things I'm talking about have seed oils in them.
  - joe-collins 4y ago
    I don't feel that it's a technicality when the distinction is between a single aisle in the grocery store and a vast swath of foods. Bread is processed, some yogurts and cheeses (although fermentation alone might only qualify as "minimally processed"), many canned foods which add only salt to otherwise unprocessed foods (vegetables, beans, fish, chicken, etc). By all means, focus your ire on snack foods. Or seed oils. Or whatever the latest trend says is unhealthy. My point, every time this comes up, is that "processed" is uselessly vague, unless you really do believe that adding any amount of salt/sugar/fat is harmful to human health. I believe that many people using the term do not actually know its definition and merely use it as shorthand for some nebulous set of foods they believe are "too artificial", without seriously considering which aspects of those foods should qualify them for inclusion.
    - fierro 4y ago
      Fair points. I think the term "processed" does have colloquial value and doesn't usually refer to things like yogurt/cheese/canned beans/etc.

by fierro 4y ago

tootie 4y ago

Yeah I think the actual distinction he is drawing is between the cheapest fats (soy, corn oil) and the classic and relatively expensive fats (butter or olive oil). It's correlation between cheap ingredients used in cheap, low-quality, often deep-fried or highly-processed foods. I'm sure a salad with extra virgin corn oil would be fine but nobody eats that.

fierro 4y ago
they are cheap due to the scalable industrial processes than enable seed oils to be extracted from comparatively cheap raws (seeds vs. olives/avos) and it's this process that contributes to the negative health outcomes associated with these oils. The extraction process oxidizes the oils and makes them essentially rancid.

joe-collins 4y ago

A "processed" food is simply one that has any amount of added salt, sugar, or fat. Many snacks include seed oils, I'm sure, but "nearly all" processed foods certainly do not. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/processed-foods/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/processed-foods...

weakfortress 4y ago
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fierro 4y ago
sure if that's a technicality you want to call out. What I meant is -- go down the grocery store snack aisles. Look at the chips, popcorns, cookies, etc. Anything in a brightly colored box in those snack aisles. 100% of the things I'm talking about have seed oils in them.
- joe-collins 4y ago
  I don't feel that it's a technicality when the distinction is between a single aisle in the grocery store and a vast swath of foods. Bread is processed, some yogurts and cheeses (although fermentation alone might only qualify as "minimally processed"), many canned foods which add only salt to otherwise unprocessed foods (vegetables, beans, fish, chicken, etc). By all means, focus your ire on snack foods. Or seed oils. Or whatever the latest trend says is unhealthy. My point, every time this comes up, is that "processed" is uselessly vague, unless you really do believe that adding any amount of salt/sugar/fat is harmful to human health. I believe that many people using the term do not actually know its definition and merely use it as shorthand for some nebulous set of foods they believe are "too artificial", without seriously considering which aspects of those foods should qualify them for inclusion.
  - fierro 4y ago
    Fair points. I think the term "processed" does have colloquial value and doesn't usually refer to things like yogurt/cheese/canned beans/etc.