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> ... and trust in God Will this nonsense never end? He landed a plane in a land-able scenario with good training. Props to him, this whole part about god tho

> ... and trust in God Will this nonsense never end? He landed a plane in a land-able scenario with good training. Props to him, this whole part about god tho is weird and I don't understand it - I have to assume that that "trust" gave him extra confidence to pull it off? if so, I guess I gotta give god a +1, but it seems redundant and overall full of pitfalls in general use cases.

voisin 4y ago
It’s possible his faith gave him calmness in a stressful scenario and allowed him to think more clearly than he otherwise would. It says nothing about the veracity of his faith, but there are some practical benefits that have been shown in terms of stress reduction and overall happiness due to the feeling of safety. (This is coming from an agnostic)
jazzyjackson 4y ago
trust in god is another way to say optimistic, choosing to believe things are more likely to turn out ok than not it's just a different language - if you try to understand it as your own (with things being either real or not-real) it will of course sound as unintelligible as any foreign language
TheFreim 4y ago
I will offer a few points for your consideration. First, I believe you may be over analyzing. It's a common phrase, typically someone isn't applying it in a rigorous fashion and inspect the definition of each word to apply a hyper-specific, qualified meaning. Second, it's "nonsense" if you share the same assumptions, but not if your initial starting place is different. I assume you don't believe in God (please correct me I've misjudged), or if you do you have a conception where He doesn't intervene in the natural order, but that's not where everyone else comes from. If you believe that God intervenes in the world and you have a relationship with God then it makes sense to trust Him. Third, from a theistic expression, I'm personally most familiar with Christian expressions in particular, one would trust in God because: one, God is a just judge, in a life and death situation where you will, to utilize a common phrase, "meet your maker," it makes sense to prepare yourself for that by entrusting yourself to "your maker". Two, by trusting in God you will calm yourself, you are able to resign yourself to do what needs to be done and be content with that because you are in right relationship with God. I completely understand that if you don't understand the common phrases meaning or don't have the same beliefs, but then I don't think the "nonsense" would actually be the phrase used, it would be the prior beliefs that lead to it.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Belief in a god gave me far more trouble, stress, and financial loss than any nominal benefit. It's worse than nonsense, it's destructive.
  - TheFreim 4y ago
    I'm sorry that you've had this experience, I personally have historically had varied experiences. With that said, I'd like to offer the following points which I would kindly ask you to consider: 1. Was it merely belief in God that gave you these troubles or was it a particular religious expression? I worry, without knowing specifics but having heard similar things from both friends and strangers alike, that you are transposing a personal specific experience with an entire broad category (belief in God encompasses not only numerous specific religions but also philosophical theism, deism, etc). I say all of this because I don't see a logical, natural jump between belief in God, or even belief in common religious groups in the west, with the experiences you've experienced. 2. I am certain that certain religious expressions can be destructive, but that's not been my experience generally. Would you consider qualifying your statement in some way to reflect this? When I hear that "religion is destructive" it is so foreign to my own general personal experience, as well as when I've looked at it more broadly, that it's hard to accept. I've known people who's belief in God is something that gives them great joy, I know others who have had difficulties with various concerns (sometimes emotional or practical or philosophical), and others like myself who while believing in God don't get much positive OR negative emotional response. I know I threw out a decent bit, and regrettably it's late so I haven't done any proof reading, so if there is anything you'd like to focus on in particular to narrow things down I'd encourage you to do so (or ask for clarifications if I wasn't clear).
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      Of course I was just doing it wrong. If only there had been some trustworthy authority who could have helped me navigate! Because clearly the university educated ~grifters~ [pastors], "scholars", "councilors", sacred texts, and ~imaginary friends~ [divine guidance] weren't enough. If only some friends and I weren't born as 'abominations' then the culty religious organizations would've seemed more productive. Look even a broken clock is right twice a day. I still don't want broken clocks in my life. Honestly I'm done with magical thinking, confirmation bias, survivorship bias, appeals to authority, and all the other tiresome phenomenon necessary to remain in any faith.
plicense 4y ago
> While he noticed the telephone wires running alongside the highway, Peters said, he did not realize until later that there were also wires crisscrossing the highway every few hundred feet, and that somehow his small plane must have slipped between them without him even noticing. > “Honestly, I didn’t see them. I think that was divine intervention, moving those wires away from me,” he said. If you read the article, he explains the reasoning.
blacklion 4y ago
How much senators in USA are openly atheists? Several years ago I've read it was 2. In whole USA history.

voisin 4y ago

It’s possible his faith gave him calmness in a stressful scenario and allowed him to think more clearly than he otherwise would. It says nothing about the veracity of his faith, but there are some practical benefits that have been shown in terms of stress reduction and overall happiness due to the feeling of safety. (This is coming from an agnostic)

jazzyjackson 4y ago

trust in god is another way to say optimistic, choosing to believe things are more likely to turn out ok than not it's just a different language - if you try to understand it as your own (with things being either real or not-real) it will of course sound as unintelligible as any foreign language

TheFreim 4y ago

I will offer a few points for your consideration. First, I believe you may be over analyzing. It's a common phrase, typically someone isn't applying it in a rigorous fashion and inspect the definition of each word to apply a hyper-specific, qualified meaning. Second, it's "nonsense" if you share the same assumptions, but not if your initial starting place is different. I assume you don't believe in God (please correct me I've misjudged), or if you do you have a conception where He doesn't intervene in the natural order, but that's not where everyone else comes from. If you believe that God intervenes in the world and you have a relationship with God then it makes sense to trust Him. Third, from a theistic expression, I'm personally most familiar with Christian expressions in particular, one would trust in God because: one, God is a just judge, in a life and death situation where you will, to utilize a common phrase, "meet your maker," it makes sense to prepare yourself for that by entrusting yourself to "your maker". Two, by trusting in God you will calm yourself, you are able to resign yourself to do what needs to be done and be content with that because you are in right relationship with God. I completely understand that if you don't understand the common phrases meaning or don't have the same beliefs, but then I don't think the "nonsense" would actually be the phrase used, it would be the prior beliefs that lead to it.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Belief in a god gave me far more trouble, stress, and financial loss than any nominal benefit. It's worse than nonsense, it's destructive.
- TheFreim 4y ago
  I'm sorry that you've had this experience, I personally have historically had varied experiences. With that said, I'd like to offer the following points which I would kindly ask you to consider: 1. Was it merely belief in God that gave you these troubles or was it a particular religious expression? I worry, without knowing specifics but having heard similar things from both friends and strangers alike, that you are transposing a personal specific experience with an entire broad category (belief in God encompasses not only numerous specific religions but also philosophical theism, deism, etc). I say all of this because I don't see a logical, natural jump between belief in God, or even belief in common religious groups in the west, with the experiences you've experienced. 2. I am certain that certain religious expressions can be destructive, but that's not been my experience generally. Would you consider qualifying your statement in some way to reflect this? When I hear that "religion is destructive" it is so foreign to my own general personal experience, as well as when I've looked at it more broadly, that it's hard to accept. I've known people who's belief in God is something that gives them great joy, I know others who have had difficulties with various concerns (sometimes emotional or practical or philosophical), and others like myself who while believing in God don't get much positive OR negative emotional response. I know I threw out a decent bit, and regrettably it's late so I haven't done any proof reading, so if there is anything you'd like to focus on in particular to narrow things down I'd encourage you to do so (or ask for clarifications if I wasn't clear).
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    Of course I was just doing it wrong. If only there had been some trustworthy authority who could have helped me navigate! Because clearly the university educated ~grifters~ [pastors], "scholars", "councilors", sacred texts, and ~imaginary friends~ [divine guidance] weren't enough. If only some friends and I weren't born as 'abominations' then the culty religious organizations would've seemed more productive. Look even a broken clock is right twice a day. I still don't want broken clocks in my life. Honestly I'm done with magical thinking, confirmation bias, survivorship bias, appeals to authority, and all the other tiresome phenomenon necessary to remain in any faith.

plicense 4y ago

> While he noticed the telephone wires running alongside the highway, Peters said, he did not realize until later that there were also wires crisscrossing the highway every few hundred feet, and that somehow his small plane must have slipped between them without him even noticing. > “Honestly, I didn’t see them. I think that was divine intervention, moving those wires away from me,” he said. If you read the article, he explains the reasoning.

blacklion 4y ago

How much senators in USA are openly atheists? Several years ago I've read it was 2. In whole USA history.