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> I'm willing to consider and . eventually accept the idea that vegetable oil, or some class of oil or fat in general, is causing significant public health prob

> I'm willing to consider and . eventually accept the idea that vegetable oil, or some class of oil or fat in general, is causing significant public health problems and increases risk of disease. However, every time I delve into the research on vegetable oil I end up being more confused The class of oil you're looking for is called sugar. We all know Big Sugar paid off a couple of researchers to spin the blame on fats, and perception has been baised since. If we reduce sugar (including carbs) and we'll see health outcomes improve.

tempsy 4y ago
excessive sugar consumption is bad, agreed, but vegetable oil is awful for very specific reasons that have nothing to do with macros.
- TomSwirly 4y ago
  From reading the rest of this page, I can safely say that your claim, "vegetable oil is awful", is just false. No one except you is claiming that. Some people are claiming that a subset of vegetable oils are bad, but so far I haven't seen one conclusive argument either way.
wnolens 4y ago
Big Sugar! gives new meaning to the name of an old band i used to listen to.. haha
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Hey, remember Napster? There was a chat facility so you could chat to people who were poking around in your shared files. Many many years ago - easily 20 years ago - I was downloading stuff off Napster and the person whose computer I was poking at popped up in chat and said "hey if you like that band, you'll probably like this band Big Sugar, try this track Let It Ride". Maybe it was you.
  - wnolens 4y ago
    It is certainly like me to constantly push Canadian bands on people.
Spivak 4y ago
This is way more than "you're wrong." Do not eat trans fats. Period. Please don't kill yourself over this. Trans fats are not like "oh they're bad for you" in the way french fries are bad for you. There is a bug in Human 1.0. Normally when we encounter fats we temporarily produce "bad" cholesterol; but it's fine because we also produce "good" cholesterol to clean up the excess. But when we encounter trans fats our bodies don't do that second part. There's nothing inherently bad about trans fats, in another evolutionary timeline humans would metabolize it fine but in this one we don't. There is no safe amount of trans fats to eat. Trans fats do permanent damage to your arteries. Always. Some foods naturally have small amounts and most studies on the subject say they're less bad but still bad. Your goal should be to minimize your lifetime consumption which is why people say to reduce your red meat intake because it can add up. It's not worth it. There is nothing trans fats do for you that makes it worth it, especially since we have plenty non trans fats that are solid at room temperature. Don't intentionally add non-natural sources to your diet.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  And you're way more "you're distracted". It's barely an exaggeration to say: sugar is in EVERYTHING. It's so ubiquitous and normalized that you're blaming a handful of oils. When every meals, every snack, mucks with your insulin levels...ill health is going to happen. But yeah, let's blame oil. Makes sense. Smh
  - ricardobeat 4y ago
    You're not wrong about sugar, but you're not right. Some of the marked increase in diseases is shown to happen regardless of sugar consumption, so it's a mix of things? Sugar, processed foods, additives and emulsifiers, seed oils. We don't really know yet.
    - chiefalchemist 4y ago
      We don't know? 1) Look around, what do we see? 2) Look at history. What are / aren't we eating now vs prior and/or elsewhere? Processed foods ~ sugar. It's not like ppl are spooning straight sugar into their mouths. p.s. Sugar also impacts oral health. The health of your mouth / teeth is important (read: far too underrated).
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tempsy 4y ago

excessive sugar consumption is bad, agreed, but vegetable oil is awful for very specific reasons that have nothing to do with macros.

TomSwirly 4y ago
From reading the rest of this page, I can safely say that your claim, "vegetable oil is awful", is just false. No one except you is claiming that. Some people are claiming that a subset of vegetable oils are bad, but so far I haven't seen one conclusive argument either way.

wnolens 4y ago

Big Sugar! gives new meaning to the name of an old band i used to listen to.. haha

Gordonjcp 4y ago
Hey, remember Napster? There was a chat facility so you could chat to people who were poking around in your shared files. Many many years ago - easily 20 years ago - I was downloading stuff off Napster and the person whose computer I was poking at popped up in chat and said "hey if you like that band, you'll probably like this band Big Sugar, try this track Let It Ride". Maybe it was you.
- wnolens 4y ago
  It is certainly like me to constantly push Canadian bands on people.

Spivak 4y ago

This is way more than "you're wrong." Do not eat trans fats. Period. Please don't kill yourself over this. Trans fats are not like "oh they're bad for you" in the way french fries are bad for you. There is a bug in Human 1.0. Normally when we encounter fats we temporarily produce "bad" cholesterol; but it's fine because we also produce "good" cholesterol to clean up the excess. But when we encounter trans fats our bodies don't do that second part. There's nothing inherently bad about trans fats, in another evolutionary timeline humans would metabolize it fine but in this one we don't. There is no safe amount of trans fats to eat. Trans fats do permanent damage to your arteries. Always. Some foods naturally have small amounts and most studies on the subject say they're less bad but still bad. Your goal should be to minimize your lifetime consumption which is why people say to reduce your red meat intake because it can add up. It's not worth it. There is nothing trans fats do for you that makes it worth it, especially since we have plenty non trans fats that are solid at room temperature. Don't intentionally add non-natural sources to your diet.

chiefalchemist 4y ago
And you're way more "you're distracted". It's barely an exaggeration to say: sugar is in EVERYTHING. It's so ubiquitous and normalized that you're blaming a handful of oils. When every meals, every snack, mucks with your insulin levels...ill health is going to happen. But yeah, let's blame oil. Makes sense. Smh
- ricardobeat 4y ago
  You're not wrong about sugar, but you're not right. Some of the marked increase in diseases is shown to happen regardless of sugar consumption, so it's a mix of things? Sugar, processed foods, additives and emulsifiers, seed oils. We don't really know yet.
  - chiefalchemist 4y ago
    We don't know? 1) Look around, what do we see? 2) Look at history. What are / aren't we eating now vs prior and/or elsewhere? Processed foods ~ sugar. It's not like ppl are spooning straight sugar into their mouths. p.s. Sugar also impacts oral health. The health of your mouth / teeth is important (read: far too underrated).

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