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I'm not sure what sort of engineer jeffammons2 is but this article has no examples in it, just a load of assertions. However, the bonsai in the picture are the

I'm not sure what sort of engineer jeffammons2 is but this article has no examples in it, just a load of assertions. However, the bonsai in the picture are the real deal. Those are absolutely priceless. That fir tree wants to create needles that are about three to six inches long. It has been pinched religiously for decades. The moss and lichens on the stone are phenomenal and the stone itself was probably licked for years (I am only partially joking). It looks sea worn and looks like it has some wormholes. The sand has been manipulated with tweezers and probably with a microscope involved. The creator of that thing is getting on a bit now and their eyesight is probably like mine. Note the "weighting" of the main elements - the way the tree and main rock leans very carefully to the right and the weight of the left and right main portions of both. That tree and setting is worth studying and striving towards.

Buttons840 4y ago
I only recently learned that bonsai trees are just regular trees. That tree pictured could be transplanted and would grow to be a normal full sized tree, amazing.
- meindnoch 4y ago
  They are just regular trees, meticulously crippled over years and years.
  - gerdesj 4y ago
    Do you have any experience with bonsai? A couple of years ago my wife and I had to have a much loved 50' tall walnut (Juglans - yes Jupiter's knobend) felled in our garden. During its life it had some sort of swing attached and some other nasties. In the end it looks like it got damp on the roots and a bit bored. Honey fungus everywhere. I do have snags with cruelty and bonsai is not cruel. If you think bonsai is abusive, then please describe it.
    - meindnoch 4y ago
      I didn’t say it was “cruel” or “abusive”. These terms only make sense within an ethical framework, which I consider subjective. I said bonsai are crippled regular trees. You prune it to an extreme degree to stunt its growth and bend it with wires to contort it into an aesthetically pleasing look. That’s just an objective fact.
      - gerdesj 4y ago
        So why did you say "crippled" rather than "pruned" in the first place? "Crippled" is an adjective that attempts to describe a loss of functionality and it is massively overloaded these days. I won't go further there. How on earth is wiring and pruning of a small plant causing a loss of functionality? I brutally prune roses and fuschias and many other plants too. They respond by growing enthusiastically and being healthy and vigorous. My bonsai do too. We can skirt around a debate of minor points of language but you did deploy a pejorative term: "cripple" with possible malice 8) I'd love to hear about your thoughts on these horrors: https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/types/trees/training-espalier https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/types/trees/training-espalier
- gerdesj 4y ago
  Yes they are regular trees. I have an uncle who used to own a nursery (selling plants and trees) that decreed bonsai to be "cruel". I love him and my aunt in equal measure but should point out that they deployed rootstock for their trees (just saying!) I am toying with getting back into bonsai. I'm now 53 and might have enough patience to do quite well. I planted a few trees a few decades ago that I might find useful as some raw material. Who knows? If you fancy a dabble you can get a very easy good first result. Don't buy a "bonsai" from a garden centre - please don't. The materials are very cheap but you do have to invest with time.
petre 4y ago
It's probably from the bonsai museum in Saitama, Japan. I saw this year's Critérium de Saitama cycling race during Tour de France and they showed this museum at the beginning of the video.

Buttons840 4y ago

I only recently learned that bonsai trees are just regular trees. That tree pictured could be transplanted and would grow to be a normal full sized tree, amazing.

meindnoch 4y ago
They are just regular trees, meticulously crippled over years and years.
- gerdesj 4y ago
  Do you have any experience with bonsai? A couple of years ago my wife and I had to have a much loved 50' tall walnut (Juglans - yes Jupiter's knobend) felled in our garden. During its life it had some sort of swing attached and some other nasties. In the end it looks like it got damp on the roots and a bit bored. Honey fungus everywhere. I do have snags with cruelty and bonsai is not cruel. If you think bonsai is abusive, then please describe it.
  - meindnoch 4y ago
    I didn’t say it was “cruel” or “abusive”. These terms only make sense within an ethical framework, which I consider subjective. I said bonsai are crippled regular trees. You prune it to an extreme degree to stunt its growth and bend it with wires to contort it into an aesthetically pleasing look. That’s just an objective fact.
    - gerdesj 4y ago
      So why did you say "crippled" rather than "pruned" in the first place? "Crippled" is an adjective that attempts to describe a loss of functionality and it is massively overloaded these days. I won't go further there. How on earth is wiring and pruning of a small plant causing a loss of functionality? I brutally prune roses and fuschias and many other plants too. They respond by growing enthusiastically and being healthy and vigorous. My bonsai do too. We can skirt around a debate of minor points of language but you did deploy a pejorative term: "cripple" with possible malice 8) I'd love to hear about your thoughts on these horrors: https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/types/trees/training-espalier https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/types/trees/training-espalier
gerdesj 4y ago
Yes they are regular trees. I have an uncle who used to own a nursery (selling plants and trees) that decreed bonsai to be "cruel". I love him and my aunt in equal measure but should point out that they deployed rootstock for their trees (just saying!) I am toying with getting back into bonsai. I'm now 53 and might have enough patience to do quite well. I planted a few trees a few decades ago that I might find useful as some raw material. Who knows? If you fancy a dabble you can get a very easy good first result. Don't buy a "bonsai" from a garden centre - please don't. The materials are very cheap but you do have to invest with time.

petre 4y ago

It's probably from the bonsai museum in Saitama, Japan. I saw this year's Critérium de Saitama cycling race during Tour de France and they showed this museum at the beginning of the video.