I mean first off you don't have any particularly privileged insight into my intentions so let's just stick to what I am saying here today alright? But that sai

I mean first off you don't have any particularly privileged insight into my intentions so let's just stick to what I am saying here today alright? But that said, "muddying the waters" is a particular view of it but yes I am pointing out that they are qualitatively the same. What is or isn't common sense is a value judgement you make based off of experiences and your estimation of who shares them and to what degree. It's not inherently neutral. The two examples you mention are excellent demonstrations! 80 years ago that sort of language would have been expected, 50 it would have been tolerated, now it isn't. Because of changing political reality, which moderation polices are a part of.