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> "you can extremely easily block domains" I just use ublacklist [1] for that. I like Kagi by the way, but my problem with it is: 1. major: I value privacy.

> "you can extremely easily block domains" I just use ublacklist [1] for that. I like Kagi by the way, but my problem with it is: 1. major: I value privacy. I would not connect my identity to a search engine (we've learned from recent news events that promises/privacy policies mean nothing.) 2. minor: The subscription cost is a little too high for my usage volume. [1] https://iorate.github.io/ublacklist/docs https://iorate.github.io/ublacklist/docs

freediver 4y ago
> I would not connect my identity to a search engine (we've learned from recent news events that promises/privacy policies mean nothing.) You do not need to. You can register with an anonymous email (like SImpleLogin) and use anonymous payments (like PrivacyHQ) if remaining anonymous is imperative to you. Kagi is 100% privacy respecting though, with the data you choose to trust us with (we are in the business of search, not the business of monetizing data).
- dns_snek 4y ago
  Not GP but do you mean Privacy.com? As far as I'm aware it requires truthful personal information to use just like any other financial service. As such, it can still be used to link a person to their Kagi account which means it's not private or anonymous in any meaningful sense. Additionally the service is only available to US citizens. I would strongly urge Kagi to consider adding cryptocurrency payments - ideally Monero. This is coming from a paying Kagi customer. I like to put my money where my mouth is but I'm not a fan of the current payment options. I understand that Kagi is a small company in early stages, but I would expect cryptocurrency payments to be available 12 months from now.
  - freediver 4y ago
    You are correct, I thought there was a company called PrivacyHQ that offered anonymous payment cards, but I see now I was wrong. Privacy.com does not fullfill that gap.
- csomar 4y ago
  It would be good if you can accept Bitcoin payments and do something like Mullvad VPN (use numbers for login).
  - freediver 4y ago
    From my (shallow) understaning, Bitcoin does not offer full anonymity ? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/crypto-tracer-chainalysis-busts-bitcoin-btc-anonymity https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/crypto-tr...
- boring_twenties 4y ago
  > use anonymous payments Why not Monero, the clearly top choice for anonymous payments?
  - freediver 4y ago
    When we looked into it, it was hard to find a simple API that a USA company can use to allow monthly subscription payments with Monero, similar to how Stripe enables fiat subscriptions.
- DavideNL 4y ago
  > "You do not need to. You can register with an anonymous email (like SImpleLogin) and use anonymous payments" Well, that would be an improvement, but all searches will still be linked to 1 account, whereas i can search on other search engines without this privacy issue. On top of that, privacy laws in the US are... quite bad (even compared to Europe.) > "we are in the business of search, not the business of monetizing data" I appreciate your effort, i might reconsider at some point. Thank you for your reply!
  - freediver 4y ago
    > Well, that would be an improvement, but all searches will still be linked to 1 account, whereas i can search on other search engines without this privacy issue. We do not log searches or associate them with an account (check our privacy policy). This is because this would only be a liability for us, with no benefit. We are in the business of selling search results, not user data.

freediver 4y ago

> I would not connect my identity to a search engine (we've learned from recent news events that promises/privacy policies mean nothing.) You do not need to. You can register with an anonymous email (like SImpleLogin) and use anonymous payments (like PrivacyHQ) if remaining anonymous is imperative to you. Kagi is 100% privacy respecting though, with the data you choose to trust us with (we are in the business of search, not the business of monetizing data).

dns_snek 4y ago
Not GP but do you mean Privacy.com? As far as I'm aware it requires truthful personal information to use just like any other financial service. As such, it can still be used to link a person to their Kagi account which means it's not private or anonymous in any meaningful sense. Additionally the service is only available to US citizens. I would strongly urge Kagi to consider adding cryptocurrency payments - ideally Monero. This is coming from a paying Kagi customer. I like to put my money where my mouth is but I'm not a fan of the current payment options. I understand that Kagi is a small company in early stages, but I would expect cryptocurrency payments to be available 12 months from now.
- freediver 4y ago
  You are correct, I thought there was a company called PrivacyHQ that offered anonymous payment cards, but I see now I was wrong. Privacy.com does not fullfill that gap.
csomar 4y ago
It would be good if you can accept Bitcoin payments and do something like Mullvad VPN (use numbers for login).
- freediver 4y ago
  From my (shallow) understaning, Bitcoin does not offer full anonymity ? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/crypto-tracer-chainalysis-busts-bitcoin-btc-anonymity https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/crypto-tr...
boring_twenties 4y ago
> use anonymous payments Why not Monero, the clearly top choice for anonymous payments?
- freediver 4y ago
  When we looked into it, it was hard to find a simple API that a USA company can use to allow monthly subscription payments with Monero, similar to how Stripe enables fiat subscriptions.
DavideNL 4y ago
> "You do not need to. You can register with an anonymous email (like SImpleLogin) and use anonymous payments" Well, that would be an improvement, but all searches will still be linked to 1 account, whereas i can search on other search engines without this privacy issue. On top of that, privacy laws in the US are... quite bad (even compared to Europe.) > "we are in the business of search, not the business of monetizing data" I appreciate your effort, i might reconsider at some point. Thank you for your reply!
- freediver 4y ago
  > Well, that would be an improvement, but all searches will still be linked to 1 account, whereas i can search on other search engines without this privacy issue. We do not log searches or associate them with an account (check our privacy policy). This is because this would only be a liability for us, with no benefit. We are in the business of selling search results, not user data.