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It doesn't seem like it works all that well either... Their example is the headphone search. That Reddit post is a few months old, and has _one_ comment on it.

by cheeze 4y ago

It doesn't seem like it works all that well either... Their example is the headphone search. That Reddit post is a few months old, and has _one_ comment on it. The thread asks specifically about closed-back headphones under $150. Something like this would be much better as a result: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/nq0pt/headphone_recommendations_by_price_range_updated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/nq0pt/headphone...

freediver 4y ago
For sure it can be improved, but at least it points you in the right direction (/r/HeadphoneAdvice) Remember we are comparing this to Google where the entire first page for this query is either ads or results full of ads and affiliate links.
- srvmshr 4y ago
  No offense again to the product. Please take this as positive criticism Please don't compare yourself to Google. Most people on HN are well aware that Google search has become a terrible baseline. DDG, appending Reddit to query etc., are workarounds discussed a lot of times on the forum. I have no beef against Kagi. I wish you guys succeed, but please have a better product argument. At this point, I actually find equally good suggestion on 'headphones' from both DDG & Ecosia. If Kagi needs to win over, it should be doing better vis-a-vis the upcoming search engines, not Google which has been SEO gamed over & over.
  - freediver 4y ago
    Non taken. I mentioned Google as for most people, 'better than Google' is already worth paying for (and for most people Google is also still the "king"). We may differ perhaps on what 'winning' means. For us having thousands of people pay for Kagi despite such strong and free competition is already winning. We do not have ambition for global domination, but are creating a search experience for people that want an alternative that has their best interest in mind. And when we have a product glitch, it is not like we are delibarately not achieving even higher quality - we are constrained by our resources. Also have in mind that we launched our public beta just 7 months ago, give us a bit of time (Google has been around for 25 years, DDG for 15 years, Ecosia for 14 years) and we may reach your standards of quality. Fact that generally speaking Kagi already brought more innovation to search experience in such short period time than these legacy search engines did in decades (by legacy I mostly mean using legacy business model - ads) means that we are serious about it. Just need a bit of time.

by cheeze 4y ago

freediver 4y ago

For sure it can be improved, but at least it points you in the right direction (/r/HeadphoneAdvice) Remember we are comparing this to Google where the entire first page for this query is either ads or results full of ads and affiliate links.

srvmshr 4y ago
No offense again to the product. Please take this as positive criticism Please don't compare yourself to Google. Most people on HN are well aware that Google search has become a terrible baseline. DDG, appending Reddit to query etc., are workarounds discussed a lot of times on the forum. I have no beef against Kagi. I wish you guys succeed, but please have a better product argument. At this point, I actually find equally good suggestion on 'headphones' from both DDG & Ecosia. If Kagi needs to win over, it should be doing better vis-a-vis the upcoming search engines, not Google which has been SEO gamed over & over.
- freediver 4y ago
  Non taken. I mentioned Google as for most people, 'better than Google' is already worth paying for (and for most people Google is also still the "king"). We may differ perhaps on what 'winning' means. For us having thousands of people pay for Kagi despite such strong and free competition is already winning. We do not have ambition for global domination, but are creating a search experience for people that want an alternative that has their best interest in mind. And when we have a product glitch, it is not like we are delibarately not achieving even higher quality - we are constrained by our resources. Also have in mind that we launched our public beta just 7 months ago, give us a bit of time (Google has been around for 25 years, DDG for 15 years, Ecosia for 14 years) and we may reach your standards of quality. Fact that generally speaking Kagi already brought more innovation to search experience in such short period time than these legacy search engines did in decades (by legacy I mostly mean using legacy business model - ads) means that we are serious about it. Just need a bit of time.