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HN: proudly carrying the torch of the late, great Twitter in turning molehills into blazing novas of righteous outrage. One helicopter. One.

HN: proudly carrying the torch of the late, great Twitter in turning molehills into blazing novas of righteous outrage. One helicopter. *One*.

_Microft 4y ago
What would you consider a sufficient example to highlight the problematic mindset behind these actions then? On its own, neither the helicopter here, nor the private jet there or the cruiseship in the Mediterranean and so forth are a problem. In total, they absolutely are. What would you suggest to submit instead?
- perihelions 4y ago
  I don't think it's problematic at all. It looks to me a reasonable and proportionate investment that supported a large number of local, seasonal jobs. Amortize that fossil fuel consumption per capita -- one helicopter, over thousands of vacationers -- and it's an absolutely trivial amount. In terms of pure numbers, most HN'ers did far "worse" things on their most recent vacation, even if it were a short car trip.
  - tgv 4y ago
    If you're open to taxing for carbon footprint (to put it loosely), and it seems that that's your argument, you'll find that ski trips are going to be very costly, even more so when adding the cost of generating snow.
    - lazide 4y ago
      Ski trips are already very costly? And people pay it.
      - tgv 4y ago
        Lower middle class can afford it and go on one or two more holidays each year. It's not expensive enough to force choices.
        lazide 4y ago
        That doesn’t meet any definition of lower middle class I’ve ever seen.
        gggggg5 4y ago
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  - DoughnutHole 4y ago
    I'd say the outrage is caused by the symbolism. Alpine skiing is an activity that in the long run is on the way out due to climate change. As a result of a warming-induced deterioration of conditions we are burning more fossil fuels to support the industry that we're extinguishing with said fossil fuels. The fact that it's an activity heavily associated with affluence aids the rage-bait.
    - ako 4y ago
      Penny wise, pound foolish. It’s a short term solution that increases the long term problem.
scythe 4y ago
The story is interesting more for the forboding quality than "outrage" IMHO.
ornornor 4y ago
This time. They’ve used 100 flights the last time around. And if it had worked you better believe it would have been more than one flight. The very fact that this was even considered as a potential solution is the problem, IMHO.

HN: proudly carrying the torch of the late, great Twitter in turning molehills into blazing novas of righteous outrage. One helicopter. *One*.

_Microft 4y ago

What would you consider a sufficient example to highlight the problematic mindset behind these actions then? On its own, neither the helicopter here, nor the private jet there or the cruiseship in the Mediterranean and so forth are a problem. In total, they absolutely are. What would you suggest to submit instead?

perihelions 4y ago
I don't think it's problematic at all. It looks to me a reasonable and proportionate investment that supported a large number of local, seasonal jobs. Amortize that fossil fuel consumption per capita -- one helicopter, over thousands of vacationers -- and it's an absolutely trivial amount. In terms of pure numbers, most HN'ers did far "worse" things on their most recent vacation, even if it were a short car trip.
- tgv 4y ago
  If you're open to taxing for carbon footprint (to put it loosely), and it seems that that's your argument, you'll find that ski trips are going to be very costly, even more so when adding the cost of generating snow.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Ski trips are already very costly? And people pay it.
    - tgv 4y ago
      Lower middle class can afford it and go on one or two more holidays each year. It's not expensive enough to force choices.
      - lazide 4y ago
        That doesn’t meet any definition of lower middle class I’ve ever seen.
        gggggg5 4y ago
        [dead]
- DoughnutHole 4y ago
  I'd say the outrage is caused by the symbolism. Alpine skiing is an activity that in the long run is on the way out due to climate change. As a result of a warming-induced deterioration of conditions we are burning more fossil fuels to support the industry that we're extinguishing with said fossil fuels. The fact that it's an activity heavily associated with affluence aids the rage-bait.
  - ako 4y ago
    Penny wise, pound foolish. It’s a short term solution that increases the long term problem.

scythe 4y ago

The story is interesting more for the forboding quality than "outrage" IMHO.

ornornor 4y ago

This time. They’ve used 100 flights the last time around. And if it had worked you better believe it would have been more than one flight. The very fact that this was even considered as a potential solution is the problem, IMHO.