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You realize there are entire towns and villages whose lives depend on this tourism, right? I'm not saying it's a perfect solution to fly snow in, but you can't

You realize there are entire towns and villages whose lives depend on this tourism, right? I'm not saying it's a perfect solution to fly snow in, but you can't discount the impact this has on the population if the resorts close down.

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epgui 4y ago
The survival of a few villages is an issue that pales in comparison to the issue of climate change.
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  Written from the comfort of your warm home with your secure, easily replaceable tech job. It's very easy to be philosophical when it's not your entire life and family history at stake. Answering questions like "what should people do instead?" is important to figuring out how we can move away from things that damage the climate. If you just tell people "your life and livelihood isn't as important as X" isn't going to get that person to agree with you.
  - epgui 4y ago
    I don’t really appreciate the spin you’re putting to my comment, but I think you’re just missing the point. The point of my comment is not to trivialize the livelihoods of the inhabitants of “a few villages”. As you correctly point out, that would be crass and unfair. The point of my comment is that climate change is an existential crisis at a scale much larger than “a few villages”: it’s fairly likely to result in an extinction event. For all villages.
bernardv 4y ago
Typical human behavior to constantly seek to push their luck, past the point of sustainability. Any resource-based community, tied to a single commodity, must know it is living on borrowed time.
- geodel 4y ago
  Well thats true forever and even for non-human animals.
- snapcaster 4y ago
  It's really easy to be so philosophical when you're not going to lose your livelihood
- higeorge13 4y ago
  What other occupation do you think they should have living far from the big cities? It’s either builders, farmers, public sector or some shop or motel or all of them.
LeifCarrotson 4y ago
There are entire towns and villages on the floodplains of rivers whose course meanders over time. There are lots of resorts and cottages on shallow coastal barrier islands that are inundated frequently by hurricanes and rising oceans. If you put down a deep well in an arid region, you can often find an aquifer with enough water to last a small town or farm for a few decades that replenishes on a scale of millennia. The earth changes. Humanity doesn't have a responsibility to a resort owner keep things the same as they were when we started keeping good records.
macNchz 4y ago
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- hulitu 4y ago
  Who cares about Bangladesh ? Without tourism _we_ will die. /s
  - zx8080 4y ago
    Oh, and by the way, people are not equal. /s (probably)
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  Is not dumping some snow with a helicopter going to prevent the sea levels from rising? Or would that require something on the scale of banning all aviation forever?
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    If we take an approach of one at a time looking at each activity and going "is this going to stop global warming?" the answer is always going to be "no" and we're going to be left going "well, there's nothing we could do, we couldn't find any activity that would stop it". No single wasteful activity is going to stop it. We need to stop a lot of them. This could and possibly should be one of them.
    - nsxwolf 4y ago
      This seems like me not taking the insurance money after the hail storm, and watching all my neighbors put free new roofs on. My insurance premiums go up anyway because of them, but I can feel good about myself paying for my roof out of pocket in a few years.
      - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
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dsfyu404ed 4y ago
There are very few groups of people I would feel less sorry for. I grew up in one of those tourism towns. It's like old school strip mining but for society. Instead of poisoning watersheds it poisons society. It turns businessmen into swindlers. It turns culture into caricature. It turns the economy into a disgusting web of perverse incentives in which every actor is constantly dealing in way that would give a mafia run dumpster company pause. Good riddance.

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epgui 4y ago

The survival of a few villages is an issue that pales in comparison to the issue of climate change.

a4a4a4a4 4y ago
Written from the comfort of your warm home with your secure, easily replaceable tech job. It's very easy to be philosophical when it's not your entire life and family history at stake. Answering questions like "what should people do instead?" is important to figuring out how we can move away from things that damage the climate. If you just tell people "your life and livelihood isn't as important as X" isn't going to get that person to agree with you.
- epgui 4y ago
  I don’t really appreciate the spin you’re putting to my comment, but I think you’re just missing the point. The point of my comment is not to trivialize the livelihoods of the inhabitants of “a few villages”. As you correctly point out, that would be crass and unfair. The point of my comment is that climate change is an existential crisis at a scale much larger than “a few villages”: it’s fairly likely to result in an extinction event. For all villages.

bernardv 4y ago

Typical human behavior to constantly seek to push their luck, past the point of sustainability. Any resource-based community, tied to a single commodity, must know it is living on borrowed time.

geodel 4y ago
Well thats true forever and even for non-human animals.
snapcaster 4y ago
It's really easy to be so philosophical when you're not going to lose your livelihood
higeorge13 4y ago
What other occupation do you think they should have living far from the big cities? It’s either builders, farmers, public sector or some shop or motel or all of them.

LeifCarrotson 4y ago

There are entire towns and villages on the floodplains of rivers whose course meanders over time. There are lots of resorts and cottages on shallow coastal barrier islands that are inundated frequently by hurricanes and rising oceans. If you put down a deep well in an arid region, you can often find an aquifer with enough water to last a small town or farm for a few decades that replenishes on a scale of millennia. The earth changes. Humanity doesn't have a responsibility to a resort owner keep things the same as they were when we started keeping good records.

macNchz 4y ago

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hulitu 4y ago
Who cares about Bangladesh ? Without tourism _we_ will die. /s
- zx8080 4y ago
  Oh, and by the way, people are not equal. /s (probably)
nsxwolf 4y ago
Is not dumping some snow with a helicopter going to prevent the sea levels from rising? Or would that require something on the scale of banning all aviation forever?
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  If we take an approach of one at a time looking at each activity and going "is this going to stop global warming?" the answer is always going to be "no" and we're going to be left going "well, there's nothing we could do, we couldn't find any activity that would stop it". No single wasteful activity is going to stop it. We need to stop a lot of them. This could and possibly should be one of them.
  - nsxwolf 4y ago
    This seems like me not taking the insurance money after the hail storm, and watching all my neighbors put free new roofs on. My insurance premiums go up anyway because of them, but I can feel good about myself paying for my roof out of pocket in a few years.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      [flagged]

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

There are very few groups of people I would feel less sorry for. I grew up in one of those tourism towns. It's like old school strip mining but for society. Instead of poisoning watersheds it poisons society. It turns businessmen into swindlers. It turns culture into caricature. It turns the economy into a disgusting web of perverse incentives in which every actor is constantly dealing in way that would give a mafia run dumpster company pause. Good riddance.