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> Paracetamol is incredibly easily available in the US (acetaminophen) and is actually far cheaper at a place like Costco than in European countries in which I'

> Paracetamol is incredibly easily available in the US (acetaminophen) and is actually far cheaper at a place like Costco than in European countries in which I've lived or visited pharmacies (CH, DE, or even UK). Costco: 1000 @ $0.01 each Boots: 16 @ £0.03 each

wkat4242 4y ago
Nice!! In most EU countries it's not allowed to buy more than 24 (sometimes 48) paracetamol at a time because people sometimes try to suicide on them (which doesn't actually work but permanently damages the liver) It's a bit of a stupid precaution though because you can just come back and buy another box or go to the next store. It doesn't prevent anything.
- rcxdude 4y ago
  It can work but it's a really, really painful and slow way to die. And this kind of prevention can work: a lot of suicide prevention is focused on just putting enough barriers in place that it's harder to do on impulse. In the case of the limitation it's probably mostly so that people don't normally have a huge jar of them at home, which is what you get with buying them from costco. How many lives have actually been saved by this is pretty hard to judge though, but I would bet it's non-zero.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    On the other hand it's left me without when I really needed it :( I would love to have a huge jar of this. There's so many ways to commit suicide and we can't stop them all. I think medications in general are too restricted in the EU. Many medications that are really innocent require a doctor's prescription (which when I lived in Ireland cost me 60 euro just for the visit - at least here in Spain it's free to visit the GP).
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    Assuming the numbers in [1] are correct, the answer to "How many lives have actually been saved by this" is, what, somewhere around 4-5000 (~300 a year for 15 years + some extra)? More interesting is that it took a long time for it to drop after the legislation was introduced in 1998 - presumably people were still working off their stockpiles? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/471227/death-by-paracetamol-drug-poisoning-in-england-and-wales/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/471227/death-by-paraceta...

wkat4242 4y ago

Nice!! In most EU countries it's not allowed to buy more than 24 (sometimes 48) paracetamol at a time because people sometimes try to suicide on them (which doesn't actually work but permanently damages the liver) It's a bit of a stupid precaution though because you can just come back and buy another box or go to the next store. It doesn't prevent anything.

rcxdude 4y ago
It can work but it's a really, really painful and slow way to die. And this kind of prevention can work: a lot of suicide prevention is focused on just putting enough barriers in place that it's harder to do on impulse. In the case of the limitation it's probably mostly so that people don't normally have a huge jar of them at home, which is what you get with buying them from costco. How many lives have actually been saved by this is pretty hard to judge though, but I would bet it's non-zero.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  On the other hand it's left me without when I really needed it :( I would love to have a huge jar of this. There's so many ways to commit suicide and we can't stop them all. I think medications in general are too restricted in the EU. Many medications that are really innocent require a doctor's prescription (which when I lived in Ireland cost me 60 euro just for the visit - at least here in Spain it's free to visit the GP).
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  Assuming the numbers in [1] are correct, the answer to "How many lives have actually been saved by this" is, what, somewhere around 4-5000 (~300 a year for 15 years + some extra)? More interesting is that it took a long time for it to drop after the legislation was introduced in 1998 - presumably people were still working off their stockpiles? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/471227/death-by-paracetamol-drug-poisoning-in-england-and-wales/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/471227/death-by-paraceta...