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This is like Games Workshop. Trying to control things after the horse has long bolted. I don't actually know anyone still playing any version of D&D at this po

This is like Games Workshop. Trying to control things after the horse has long bolted. I don't actually know anyone still playing any version of D&D at this point. Everyone I know is either Pathfinder, OSR or some other indie RPG (MORK BORG seems popular right now).

guywhocodes 4y ago
5e is the most commonly played ttrpg currently I would gamble. Due to the recent mainstream adoption. When acquaintances hear that I DM ttrpgs that's what they ask me about and it's 70% because of Stranger things. Which is ironic because I know it would be a challenge to even get to a first session with them in such a system. Instead I play Knave with them.
- vintermann 4y ago
  That's mysterious to me. 5th edition has a number of distinctly un D&D-ish features as I see it, as one who - like the fictional Stranger Things kids - played D&D in the late 80s. I don't think it's actually Stranger Things driving 5th ed popularity, though. If it was, surely they'd go for something more retro. I think it's the big tabletop RPG streamers.
  - guywhocodes 4y ago
    I haven't watched Stranger Things but I see where you are coming from. I tend to prefer OSR games these days myself and I think 5e is pretty bad. But these people don't know anything about TTRPGs in general, they use Google and the SEO directs them into the sales funnel of 5e. EDIT: The other big channel in is watching Critical Role streams. And if that is your only reference with their particular ads it will draw you into the current, and large, ecosystem of 5e.
  - mcv 4y ago
    Stranger Things doesn't go into that sort of detail at all. It just mentions D&D and a couple of monsters, and that's it. Specific editions of D&D are completely irrelevant to people excited about D&D because of Stranger Things. It just raises attention and that brings in new players, who have generally never heard of B/X, BECMI, AD&D or d20. It's just D&D.
iamacyborg 4y ago
I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to with that Games Workshop comment. They've generally been a very good steward of their IP and have brought a number of fan creators in-house.
- mattl 4y ago
  Games Workshop had a lawsuit with Chapterhouse that didn’t go great for them.
  - iamacyborg 4y ago
    A decade ago.
    - mattl 4y ago
      And D&D 4th edition was 2007-2013 and people still don’t forget the mess it was.
- hodgeheg 4y ago
  Possibly the time they tried to get a book pulled from bookstores because it had "space marine" in the title. [1] Or the time they clamped down on fan animations in Warhammer settings. [2] Or their lawsuit against Chapterhouse. [3] [1] https://gizmodo.com/games-workshop-is-still-claiming-to-own-the-trademark-t-5982201 https://gizmodo.com/games-workshop-is-still-claiming-to-own-... [2] https://www.pcgamer.com/games-workshop-is-trying-to-shut-down-fan-animations/ https://www.pcgamer.com/games-workshop-is-trying-to-shut-dow... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/cqao2l/miniature_wargaming_that_time_games_workshop/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/cqao2l/miniatur...
  - iamacyborg 4y ago
    Ah, I knew the fan animations thing would pop up. There was a lot of drama but no creator was ever asked to stop producing fan-content. What did happen was some creators got bullied by the fanbase though. [1] Some of those creators got full-time jobs and others were asked to stop monetising the content. I'm not sure why either of those are problems. No one has to stop doing what they're doing and some folks get to work officially for an IP they're passionate about. As far as the Space Marine book thing, sure, that was dumb but hardly a big deal and the Chapterhouse lawsuit was a decade ago. GW has changed significantly and noticeably since. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/onl8vf/a_statement_on_sodaz_absolutelynothing_and_other/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/onl8vf/a_stat...
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
5e is sort of the "lingua franca" of TTRPGs in all of my friend groups. Some groups I know run Pathfinder, I've run FATE games before, but the majority continue to be 5e. Many people I know got into 5e through Critical Roll. I agree though that with the internet and accessible simulators it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a replacement if WotC insists on enforcing this license change.
cafeinux 4y ago
Pathfinder is under the OGL 1.0 and is basically a modded D&D, so they'll be affected anyway.
CapricornNoble 4y ago
A coworker of mine DM's our local Roll20 5e group. This fills the gap in my gaming left by COVID destroying my attendance at Friday Night Magic (EDH). That FLGS actually closed doors due to COVID. Even playing online it's a nice chance to do something social with fellow English-speakers and away from my family responsibilities. As a system, I'm not hugely wedded to 5e. I'm actually doing a deep-dive worldbuilding with Traveller: The New Era (early 90's sci-fi).

guywhocodes 4y ago

5e is the most commonly played ttrpg currently I would gamble. Due to the recent mainstream adoption. When acquaintances hear that I DM ttrpgs that's what they ask me about and it's 70% because of Stranger things. Which is ironic because I know it would be a challenge to even get to a first session with them in such a system. Instead I play Knave with them.

vintermann 4y ago
That's mysterious to me. 5th edition has a number of distinctly un D&D-ish features as I see it, as one who - like the fictional Stranger Things kids - played D&D in the late 80s. I don't think it's actually Stranger Things driving 5th ed popularity, though. If it was, surely they'd go for something more retro. I think it's the big tabletop RPG streamers.
- guywhocodes 4y ago
  I haven't watched Stranger Things but I see where you are coming from. I tend to prefer OSR games these days myself and I think 5e is pretty bad. But these people don't know anything about TTRPGs in general, they use Google and the SEO directs them into the sales funnel of 5e. EDIT: The other big channel in is watching Critical Role streams. And if that is your only reference with their particular ads it will draw you into the current, and large, ecosystem of 5e.
- mcv 4y ago
  Stranger Things doesn't go into that sort of detail at all. It just mentions D&D and a couple of monsters, and that's it. Specific editions of D&D are completely irrelevant to people excited about D&D because of Stranger Things. It just raises attention and that brings in new players, who have generally never heard of B/X, BECMI, AD&D or d20. It's just D&D.

iamacyborg 4y ago

I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to with that Games Workshop comment. They've generally been a very good steward of their IP and have brought a number of fan creators in-house.

mattl 4y ago
Games Workshop had a lawsuit with Chapterhouse that didn’t go great for them.
- iamacyborg 4y ago
  A decade ago.
  - mattl 4y ago
    And D&D 4th edition was 2007-2013 and people still don’t forget the mess it was.
hodgeheg 4y ago
Possibly the time they tried to get a book pulled from bookstores because it had "space marine" in the title. [1] Or the time they clamped down on fan animations in Warhammer settings. [2] Or their lawsuit against Chapterhouse. [3] [1] https://gizmodo.com/games-workshop-is-still-claiming-to-own-the-trademark-t-5982201 https://gizmodo.com/games-workshop-is-still-claiming-to-own-... [2] https://www.pcgamer.com/games-workshop-is-trying-to-shut-down-fan-animations/ https://www.pcgamer.com/games-workshop-is-trying-to-shut-dow... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/cqao2l/miniature_wargaming_that_time_games_workshop/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/cqao2l/miniatur...
- iamacyborg 4y ago
  Ah, I knew the fan animations thing would pop up. There was a lot of drama but no creator was ever asked to stop producing fan-content. What did happen was some creators got bullied by the fanbase though. [1] Some of those creators got full-time jobs and others were asked to stop monetising the content. I'm not sure why either of those are problems. No one has to stop doing what they're doing and some folks get to work officially for an IP they're passionate about. As far as the Space Marine book thing, sure, that was dumb but hardly a big deal and the Chapterhouse lawsuit was a decade ago. GW has changed significantly and noticeably since. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/onl8vf/a_statement_on_sodaz_absolutelynothing_and_other/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/onl8vf/a_stat...

Karrot_Kream 4y ago

5e is sort of the "lingua franca" of TTRPGs in all of my friend groups. Some groups I know run Pathfinder, I've run FATE games before, but the majority continue to be 5e. Many people I know got into 5e through Critical Roll. I agree though that with the internet and accessible simulators it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a replacement if WotC insists on enforcing this license change.

cafeinux 4y ago

Pathfinder is under the OGL 1.0 and is basically a modded D&D, so they'll be affected anyway.

CapricornNoble 4y ago

A coworker of mine DM's our local Roll20 5e group. This fills the gap in my gaming left by COVID destroying my attendance at Friday Night Magic (EDH). That FLGS actually closed doors due to COVID. Even playing online it's a nice chance to do something social with fellow English-speakers and away from my family responsibilities. As a system, I'm not hugely wedded to 5e. I'm actually doing a deep-dive worldbuilding with Traveller: The New Era (early 90's sci-fi).