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I think the question was before the russian invasion

• justsomehnguy 4y ago
  ... the people living in the Donbas before the Russian invasion aren't Ukrainians?
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  • ithkuil 4y ago
    My question was: I heard claims that Ukraine was murdering Russian-speaking minority in Donbass before the Russian invasion and that this was the justification for the invasion. Are there serious independent sources that can prove or disprove this claim?
    • justsomehnguy 4y ago
      > My question was: I heard claims that Ukraine was murdering Russian-speaking minority in Donbass before the Russian invasion Define 'minority' in context of Donbas. It's overwhelmingly Russian-speaking. > and that this was the justification for the invasion. Well, define 'murdering' then[0]. Both sides would claim the civilian deaths on the opposing side. If you are asking about specific actions of anyone actually murdering people (ie not from the direct circumstances of war) then I can't help you, too much to sift through, though OSCE reports would be the main 3rd-party resource to get this info, especially if you search for 'torture'. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25/human-rights-watch-ukrainian-forces-are-rocketing-civilians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25... Murder? Casualty of war?
      • ithkuil 4y ago
        This is exactly the kind of answer I was looking for, thanks!
        • justsomehnguy 4y ago
          Eg https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countrie... p. 13 https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/ukraine0716web_2.pdf https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/ukraine07... p. 17 The name of the latter is quite telling. Also: "enforced disappearance".