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> Give a bit more freedom and education to people who showed they are willing to fight for it. People need to eat properly and exercise on a daily basis in to

> Give a bit more freedom and education to people who showed they are willing to fight for it. People need to eat properly and exercise on a daily basis in to stay fit for service. Most 18-20 year olds have a hard time with discipline. Routine mandatory exercise is a must have for military service. Thus the people with the discipline and "who show willingness to fight for it" and basic competence are the ones that end up leading in the military.

themodelplumber 4y ago
> Most 18-20 year olds have a hard time with discipline Discipline is a lens though, not a binary state of having/not having a permanent heart condition. If it's hard, there are usually much better lenses for military levels of upkeep. Just like there are better models than "willpower" for losing weight. (As to whether anyone who is proud of their personal discipline level wants to admit that, on the other hand...)
- rubyfan 4y ago
  To be clear discipline in the military is a couple things that are pretty good basic life skills that a lot of people at that age especially lack, i.e. go to sleep at a reasonable hour, show up to work on time, exercise daily, eat well, avoid alcohol abuse, follow through with assigned tasks. These are real challenges for people at that age and who come from many walks of life, sometimes unhealthy environments. The military immediately rewards and punishes for lack of that discipline and it’s a pretty good environment to develop young people. But absent the persistent structure the military provides won’t happen on its own.
  - themodelplumber 4y ago
    > But absent the persistent structure the military provides won’t happen on its own. Hmm, but this is different from saying "the military never changes its approach to things like this, to get better results with the people it works with" which it does. In fact in recent years all branches have advertised their desire to "adapt". Slow process, but it's there & needs to be. Change processes to get the results you need, as returns diminish. Some destabilization required--brass will survive
    - rubyfan 4y ago
      Oh for sure, I served over 20 years ago and the branches have all adapted their PT regimes quite a bit. Push-ups, Sit-ups and Run was the standard when I served and since then I think they’ve changed it up a bunch and some have even tried incorporating crossfit-style workouts and have evolved their fitness standards - as they should. Enforcing fitness standards and mandatory participation still makes sense and always will for young people especially those who serve.

themodelplumber 4y ago

> Most 18-20 year olds have a hard time with discipline Discipline is a lens though, not a binary state of having/not having a permanent heart condition. If it's hard, there are usually much better lenses for military levels of upkeep. Just like there are better models than "willpower" for losing weight. (As to whether anyone who is proud of their personal discipline level wants to admit that, on the other hand...)

rubyfan 4y ago
To be clear discipline in the military is a couple things that are pretty good basic life skills that a lot of people at that age especially lack, i.e. go to sleep at a reasonable hour, show up to work on time, exercise daily, eat well, avoid alcohol abuse, follow through with assigned tasks. These are real challenges for people at that age and who come from many walks of life, sometimes unhealthy environments. The military immediately rewards and punishes for lack of that discipline and it’s a pretty good environment to develop young people. But absent the persistent structure the military provides won’t happen on its own.
- themodelplumber 4y ago
  > But absent the persistent structure the military provides won’t happen on its own. Hmm, but this is different from saying "the military never changes its approach to things like this, to get better results with the people it works with" which it does. In fact in recent years all branches have advertised their desire to "adapt". Slow process, but it's there & needs to be. Change processes to get the results you need, as returns diminish. Some destabilization required--brass will survive
  - rubyfan 4y ago
    Oh for sure, I served over 20 years ago and the branches have all adapted their PT regimes quite a bit. Push-ups, Sit-ups and Run was the standard when I served and since then I think they’ve changed it up a bunch and some have even tried incorporating crossfit-style workouts and have evolved their fitness standards - as they should. Enforcing fitness standards and mandatory participation still makes sense and always will for young people especially those who serve.