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The abstract doesn’t touch on the interesting but politically sensitive developments over the last few decades: 20% of the people living in Sweden today were bo

The abstract doesn’t touch on the interesting but politically sensitive developments over the last few decades: 20% of the people living in Sweden today were born in another country. In the city I live in (Malmö) only 30% of children have two parents born in Sweden.

prottog 4y ago
I heard it called Malmodishu? ;-) That is a very fascinating subject. In addition to the 20% who were born outside of Sweden, another 6% are born in Sweden to parents both born outside, meaning over a quarter of the population today is not ethnically Swedish. It's a radical shift, compared to under 2% before WW2 and under 7% in the 70s. I'm curious how that social experiment will pan out in the end.
- jesse_faden 4y ago
  > social experiment huh well. stuff like this just makes me very insecure at times. My partner is Swedish but she was born in Hungary I'm currently a resident of Australia but originally from India and plan to move to Sweden sometime later. Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture. Maybe you're implying that only x% of the population must be born outside, non-ethnical Swedes.
  - bjelkeman-again 4y ago
    When you do come to Sweden, don’t hesitate to connect.
  - prottog 4y ago
    I'm not making a personal judgement here. I myself have lived in multiple countries and am a visible ethnic minority in the country I live in now. But you hit it on the head: > Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture. Indeed, as they say, when in Rome, do as the Romans. There's a good bit of evidence to suggest that the integration of migrants vastly different culturally has been difficult at best. When you go from having negligible amounts of foreign-born people to having a quarter of the country be foreign-born within one person's lifetime, it's hard not to introduce social disturbance. And that's why I am calling it a social experiment: to what end?
- kuhewa 4y ago
  A much greater proportion of Australia is foreign born. They are doing pretty well.
  - prottog 4y ago
    Clearly, a New World country borne of immigration is different than an Old World country in this regard. Besides, Australia doing well is hardly an example of anything other than how blessed they are in a number of ways[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country
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bloqs 4y ago
I believe It's roughly the same across Western Europe and higher in the US. But historically, yes.
- wahern 4y ago
  The foreign born population in the U.S. is only 14%, which is actually near the historic high. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding... Our cultural identity is one of a nation of immigrants, but over the past couple decades many European countries have become just as much if not more so. Among OECD countries the U.S. is middle of the pack: https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm
lukas099 4y ago
And yet Sweden has less foreign ancestry today than it did during the Viking age, interesting.

prottog 4y ago

I heard it called Malmodishu? ;-) That is a very fascinating subject. In addition to the 20% who were born outside of Sweden, another 6% are born in Sweden to parents both born outside, meaning over a quarter of the population today is not ethnically Swedish. It's a radical shift, compared to under 2% before WW2 and under 7% in the 70s. I'm curious how that social experiment will pan out in the end.

jesse_faden 4y ago
> social experiment huh well. stuff like this just makes me very insecure at times. My partner is Swedish but she was born in Hungary I'm currently a resident of Australia but originally from India and plan to move to Sweden sometime later. Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture. Maybe you're implying that only x% of the population must be born outside, non-ethnical Swedes.
- bjelkeman-again 4y ago
  When you do come to Sweden, don’t hesitate to connect.
- prottog 4y ago
  I'm not making a personal judgement here. I myself have lived in multiple countries and am a visible ethnic minority in the country I live in now. But you hit it on the head: > Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture. Indeed, as they say, when in Rome, do as the Romans. There's a good bit of evidence to suggest that the integration of migrants vastly different culturally has been difficult at best. When you go from having negligible amounts of foreign-born people to having a quarter of the country be foreign-born within one person's lifetime, it's hard not to introduce social disturbance. And that's why I am calling it a social experiment: to what end?
kuhewa 4y ago
A much greater proportion of Australia is foreign born. They are doing pretty well.
- prottog 4y ago
  Clearly, a New World country borne of immigration is different than an Old World country in this regard. Besides, Australia doing well is hardly an example of anything other than how blessed they are in a number of ways[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country
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bloqs 4y ago

I believe It's roughly the same across Western Europe and higher in the US. But historically, yes.

wahern 4y ago
The foreign born population in the U.S. is only 14%, which is actually near the historic high. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding... Our cultural identity is one of a nation of immigrants, but over the past couple decades many European countries have become just as much if not more so. Among OECD countries the U.S. is middle of the pack: https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm

lukas099 4y ago

And yet Sweden has less foreign ancestry today than it did during the Viking age, interesting.