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The unsafe part of an e-bike is the cars running people over. I agree with you: we should get rid of that part.

by bertil 4y ago

moonchrome 4y ago
That's not true at all - driving on two wheels is inherently more dangerous, increasingly so the faster you go. Not to mention that the older/less fit you get the harder it is to react to these situations (tire slipping, hitting holes, stuff hitting you in the face, pedestrians jumping in front of you) I've said this before - if I put a child seat on a motorcycle I would get social services called instantly. Puting it on an e-bike and I'm a progressive hipster caring about the environment. The biking propaganda is getting ridiculous.
- adrianN 4y ago
  E-bikes have a top speed where crashes are rarely dangerous unless they involve a car.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    >Overall, the report concludes that the main culprit in all bicycle (regular and electric) injuries was the rider’s own behavior (44 percent) — a steering error, for example — while 32 percent was road conditions. And the majority of these accidents affected only the rider. Two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals last year were cyclists, VeiligheidNL says. The survey was conducted with hospitalized riders between July 2020 and June 2021. https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-increased-risk-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-... This is in Netherlands - Mecca of bicycle infrastructure. I mean how is this even controversial - riding on two wheels vs driving on 4 between a steel cage is inherently more dangerous - you have to be a zealot to deny that.
    - adrianN 4y ago
      Which part of your quote disputes that bike crashes at bike speeds are generally safer than motorcycle crashes at motorcycle speeds?
      - moonchrome 4y ago
        How does that change the fact that biking is order of magnitude more dangerous compared to driving a car ? It's like saying "cocaine isn't that bad, look at what heroin does to people".

The unsafe part of an e-bike is the cars running people over. I agree with you: we should get rid of that part.

by bertil 4y ago

The unsafe part of an e-bike is the cars running people over. I agree with you: we should get rid of that part.

That's not true at all - driving on two wheels is inherently more dangerous, increasingly so the faster you go. Not to mention that the older/less fit you get the harder it is to react to these situations (tire slipping, hitting holes, stuff hitting you in the face, pedestrians jumping in front of you) I've said this before - if I put a child seat on a motorcycle I would get social services called instantly. Puting it on an e-bike and I'm a progressive hipster caring about the environment. The biking propaganda is getting ridiculous.

adrianN 4y ago
E-bikes have a top speed where crashes are rarely dangerous unless they involve a car.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  >Overall, the report concludes that the main culprit in all bicycle (regular and electric) injuries was the rider’s own behavior (44 percent) — a steering error, for example — while 32 percent was road conditions. And the majority of these accidents affected only the rider. Two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals last year were cyclists, VeiligheidNL says. The survey was conducted with hospitalized riders between July 2020 and June 2021. https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-increased-risk-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-... This is in Netherlands - Mecca of bicycle infrastructure. I mean how is this even controversial - riding on two wheels vs driving on 4 between a steel cage is inherently more dangerous - you have to be a zealot to deny that.
  - adrianN 4y ago
    Which part of your quote disputes that bike crashes at bike speeds are generally safer than motorcycle crashes at motorcycle speeds?
    - moonchrome 4y ago
      How does that change the fact that biking is order of magnitude more dangerous compared to driving a car ? It's like saying "cocaine isn't that bad, look at what heroin does to people".