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> "never in a lifetime on average" crash That’s a strong argument against SUVs, a type of vehicle that is notoriously dangerous because drivers can’t see child

by bertil 4y ago

> "never in a lifetime on average" crash That’s a strong argument against SUVs, a type of vehicle that is notoriously dangerous because drivers can’t see children in front of their hood. It also flips over and kills people inside at minor incidents. Cargo bikes don’t have those issues.

TheCapeGreek 4y ago
It's an arms race - cargo bikes might not have those issues, but for one of those types of crashes I'd sure rather not be on a bike.
- adrianN 4y ago
  That's why I only leave the house to step into my Marauder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic I think every other vehicle should be banned.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>flips over and kills people inside at minor incidents. >a strong argument against SUVs This kind of hubris to think you can plan the exact details of the market for a product followed up by cognitive dissonance when it doesn't work out drives me up the wall. The SUVs back in the day when they were becoming a thing had fine visibility, great even by modern standards. Then you people said they rolled over too much and were too unsafe so they grew wide to be stable and they got thick bodies and doors and strong pillars and high belt-lines to be strong and nobody could see out of them. And then you people backed over your kids. And then we got backup cameras and all sorts of tech. And now you people complain the screens are distracting and un-ergonomic. You see the pattern here? Just stop trying to tell everyone else what's good for them and then force it on them and we wouldn't have this problem. Want me to do zoning too? Because it's basically the same story.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  who is “you people” here
- ldh0011 4y ago
  Something tells me the intersection of the "you people" trying to reduce car dependence and the "you people" arguing to make cars bigger and heavier is not a large one. Increasing car size (sometimes) increases safety for the driver at the expense of anyone in a smaller car or not in a car. Road deterioration also increases exponentially with vehicle weight so people that opt for no-car or smaller cars are effectively subsidizing the excessive vehicles of other people with their tax money. iirc a Hummer causes 21x more damage than an "average car." https://www.gao.gov/products/109954 https://www.gao.gov/products/109954

by bertil 4y ago

TheCapeGreek 4y ago

It's an arms race - cargo bikes might not have those issues, but for one of those types of crashes I'd sure rather not be on a bike.

adrianN 4y ago
That's why I only leave the house to step into my Marauder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic I think every other vehicle should be banned.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

>flips over and kills people inside at minor incidents. >a strong argument against SUVs This kind of hubris to think you can plan the exact details of the market for a product followed up by cognitive dissonance when it doesn't work out drives me up the wall. The SUVs back in the day when they were becoming a thing had fine visibility, great even by modern standards. Then you people said they rolled over too much and were too unsafe so they grew wide to be stable and they got thick bodies and doors and strong pillars and high belt-lines to be strong and nobody could see out of them. And then you people backed over your kids. And then we got backup cameras and all sorts of tech. And now you people complain the screens are distracting and un-ergonomic. You see the pattern here? Just stop trying to tell everyone else what's good for them and then force it on them and we wouldn't have this problem. Want me to do zoning too? Because it's basically the same story.

micromacrofoot 4y ago
who is “you people” here
ldh0011 4y ago
Something tells me the intersection of the "you people" trying to reduce car dependence and the "you people" arguing to make cars bigger and heavier is not a large one. Increasing car size (sometimes) increases safety for the driver at the expense of anyone in a smaller car or not in a car. Road deterioration also increases exponentially with vehicle weight so people that opt for no-car or smaller cars are effectively subsidizing the excessive vehicles of other people with their tax money. iirc a Hummer causes 21x more damage than an "average car." https://www.gao.gov/products/109954 https://www.gao.gov/products/109954