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If you have a contract to sell parts then your incentive to give higher salary would also be greater, given contracts would have penalties for failure to delive

by cgio 4y ago

If you have a contract to sell parts then your incentive to give higher salary would also be greater, given contracts would have penalties for failure to deliver. The companies are apparently in equilibrium with this situation, so either shortsighted in management or complain because effectively they want to pay less than they currently do.

bluedino 4y ago
It's not the pay that's the problem. if it was, people that work at McDonald's or Walmart would be beating our door down to double their salary
- cwkoss 4y ago
  Does your company train unskilled workers? Or are previous skills or credentials required?
  - bluedino 4y ago
    No. They will hire people who are taking or have completed classes at the community college as apprentices occasionally. Companies are afraid to spend money training when they don't think they will have reliable people (based on past experiences)
    - appletrotter 4y ago
      Given that you have more specific requirements for the role, why are you comparing your salary with that of Walmart? > don't think they will have reliable people (based on past experiences) People who have been burned become insecure. Insecurity can lead to irrationality. This is something which effects relationships.
    - yterdy 4y ago
      If a large number of people who are already credentialed for a job get it, and then quit soon after, why would it be rational for someone to spend their own time and money pursuing unpaid training in the hopes of also being hired onto that job? It seems to me that companies have unrealistic ideas about what they need to do in order to attract employees. Start training again. Cross-train, even, if the boredom issue is a real one. Make work floors more hospitable (provide heaters/fans, lower noise, etc.). There was a time when typists and "computers" worked regimented shifts in sweltering/freezing, warehouse-style offices, too; very few workers will put up with being triple-layered at their keyboards or drowning in their own sweat these days. Maybe that needs to change for trades; or, businesses need to pay more to reflect the trouble people are putting themselves through for their paycheck.
  - bluedino 4y ago
    To add to this: it's a union shop so you can't hire someone off the street and train them to be an electrician, for example. You need to take the training classes and then wait for an apprenticeship opening (get in line and you better know someone) You have to fill out this form apparently. http://www.ibew.org/ContactForm/ http://www.ibew.org/ContactForm/
- sethammons 4y ago
  McDonald's in my small 5k population town in Montana (which has a bit of a reputation for shit wages) was advertising $20/hr (might be $19 and I'm mentally rounding up) last summer including paid leave. McDonalds is nearly to your starting pay. The market has adjusted.
  - bluedino 4y ago
    McDonalds has $11/hr on their signs here https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4c142ca25712bc94&from=serp https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4c142ca25712bc94&from=se...

by cgio 4y ago

bluedino 4y ago

It's not the pay that's the problem. if it was, people that work at McDonald's or Walmart would be beating our door down to double their salary

cwkoss 4y ago
Does your company train unskilled workers? Or are previous skills or credentials required?
- bluedino 4y ago
  No. They will hire people who are taking or have completed classes at the community college as apprentices occasionally. Companies are afraid to spend money training when they don't think they will have reliable people (based on past experiences)
  - appletrotter 4y ago
    Given that you have more specific requirements for the role, why are you comparing your salary with that of Walmart? > don't think they will have reliable people (based on past experiences) People who have been burned become insecure. Insecurity can lead to irrationality. This is something which effects relationships.
  - yterdy 4y ago
    If a large number of people who are already credentialed for a job get it, and then quit soon after, why would it be rational for someone to spend their own time and money pursuing unpaid training in the hopes of also being hired onto that job? It seems to me that companies have unrealistic ideas about what they need to do in order to attract employees. Start training again. Cross-train, even, if the boredom issue is a real one. Make work floors more hospitable (provide heaters/fans, lower noise, etc.). There was a time when typists and "computers" worked regimented shifts in sweltering/freezing, warehouse-style offices, too; very few workers will put up with being triple-layered at their keyboards or drowning in their own sweat these days. Maybe that needs to change for trades; or, businesses need to pay more to reflect the trouble people are putting themselves through for their paycheck.
- bluedino 4y ago
  To add to this: it's a union shop so you can't hire someone off the street and train them to be an electrician, for example. You need to take the training classes and then wait for an apprenticeship opening (get in line and you better know someone) You have to fill out this form apparently. http://www.ibew.org/ContactForm/ http://www.ibew.org/ContactForm/
sethammons 4y ago
McDonald's in my small 5k population town in Montana (which has a bit of a reputation for shit wages) was advertising $20/hr (might be $19 and I'm mentally rounding up) last summer including paid leave. McDonalds is nearly to your starting pay. The market has adjusted.
- bluedino 4y ago
  McDonalds has $11/hr on their signs here https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4c142ca25712bc94&from=serp https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4c142ca25712bc94&from=se...