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I dont understand those bad experiences with HR here All hr stuff that ive been involved in was getting hired, questions about taxes, days off calculations and

I dont understand those bad experiences with HR here All hr stuff that ive been involved in was getting hired, questions about taxes, days off calculations and health provider related stuff Like... what happened to you?

jacobsenscott 4y ago
Sounds like all the HR stuff you've been involved with is not threatening to the company (lucky you), so of course they are sweet a pie. Go to them for help with a discrimination complaint or the like (or just google up the thousands of stories) and you'll see "what happened".
vlod 4y ago
When you're reliant on them, every single HR dept I've hard to deal with (across many companies) has been incompetent. It's too the point I have systems in place to cover their inevitable screw up. e.g. I was living in the US and had to go for a business trip to the UK and my company put up in the Ritz Carlton in London (a very fancy and very expensive hotel, especially during new year). However the HR person thought that having a $50 max total spend for my corporate credit card (for an international trip) was fine. Note the hotel room was probably around $550 per night (times by a week). Luckily my personal credit card, which had an extremely low cap as I had just moved to the US and had really no credit score, managed to cover it. Of course no apologies and were blase about it when I spoke to them. If we behaved like this on our dev teams, we'd all get fired.
- rippercushions 4y ago
  Unless your company is so tiny that the HR person is wearing many hats, the credit limit on your corp credit card is set by the finance team and likely has nothing at all to do with HR. Although a $50 (!?) limit on a credit card sounds more like somebody at the bank fucked up.
  - vlod 4y ago
    Doesn't really matter. If HR are the employee facing 'front' of the company and do all the work of booking flight, hotels, transport etc then the buck stops with them. i.e. If one is a tech/product team lead with an external client, you can't blame a developer (below you in the food chain) for screwing up. All screens/functionality has to be verified before the client sees it. If not, you'll more than likely look like an idiot.
    - rippercushions 4y ago
      I've never worked in a company where HR does flight and hotel bookings. Just how many people work in your company? Or are you using "HR" to refer broadly to everybody working in any type of administrative role? In my (typical) company, HR sets travel policy but everything else about travel, down to approving expense reports, is outsourced to vendors or other departments.
      - vlod 4y ago
        This was for a v.large investment bank. There are most likely other departments, but HR generally manage all of the trip details and are the front for the employee. i.e. to save the employee wasting a bunch of time talking to X number of depts (that don't return calls etc) to try and get things setup. i.e. From a costing perspective, you don't want senior people or super busy (and expensive) engineers wasting a bunch of time.
        fknorangesite 4y ago
        I still feel like you are using "HR" here to refer to a broader set of administrative roles that are not actually Human Resources.
ejb999 4y ago
The 'bad experiences' with HR are usually because of some employees not understanding who HR serves - I also have never had a problem with HR; you only deal with HR on your first day and last day for the most part. It's not much different than forgetting that the oh so helpful real estate agent is there to make a sale and a commission, not to make sure you find the perfect house at the best price.
kayodelycaon 4y ago
I have a disability. A new HR person was hired and she started introducing policies as if we were a 100,000+ person company, when we had less than 400. Most of those policies ran head first into ADA. Hard. My manager and I had worked just fine with my limitations prior to these rules. The new HR person wanted to overrule everything and then got pissed when she had to start tracking my time off per hour in a spreadsheet and manually adjust payroll because she didn't know how to enter it in the system properly. She did some serious gymnastics to get me fired over the protests of several layers of management.
watwut 4y ago
Our company created HR and the result was surprisingly positive. The hiring process started to be way more organized - they made no decisions, but planned interviews, made sure they are when everyone is available and knows about them. They were also available to explain labor laws, regulations and process whenever leader/manager needed it. That alone made a lot of stuff more predictable. I was skeptical at first, but it was definitely an improvement.
- solarmist 4y ago
  Well, yeah. That’s their job support management. HR is friends with management, until discrimination or labor laws some into play. The cases where this is true for ICs pretty much stops after recruiting and onboarding.

jacobsenscott 4y ago

Sounds like all the HR stuff you've been involved with is not threatening to the company (lucky you), so of course they are sweet a pie. Go to them for help with a discrimination complaint or the like (or just google up the thousands of stories) and you'll see "what happened".

vlod 4y ago

When you're reliant on them, every single HR dept I've hard to deal with (across many companies) has been incompetent. It's too the point I have systems in place to cover their inevitable screw up. e.g. I was living in the US and had to go for a business trip to the UK and my company put up in the Ritz Carlton in London (a very fancy and very expensive hotel, especially during new year). However the HR person thought that having a $50 max total spend for my corporate credit card (for an international trip) was fine. Note the hotel room was probably around $550 per night (times by a week). Luckily my personal credit card, which had an extremely low cap as I had just moved to the US and had really no credit score, managed to cover it. Of course no apologies and were blase about it when I spoke to them. If we behaved like this on our dev teams, we'd all get fired.

rippercushions 4y ago
Unless your company is so tiny that the HR person is wearing many hats, the credit limit on your corp credit card is set by the finance team and likely has nothing at all to do with HR. Although a $50 (!?) limit on a credit card sounds more like somebody at the bank fucked up.
- vlod 4y ago
  Doesn't really matter. If HR are the employee facing 'front' of the company and do all the work of booking flight, hotels, transport etc then the buck stops with them. i.e. If one is a tech/product team lead with an external client, you can't blame a developer (below you in the food chain) for screwing up. All screens/functionality has to be verified before the client sees it. If not, you'll more than likely look like an idiot.
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    I've never worked in a company where HR does flight and hotel bookings. Just how many people work in your company? Or are you using "HR" to refer broadly to everybody working in any type of administrative role? In my (typical) company, HR sets travel policy but everything else about travel, down to approving expense reports, is outsourced to vendors or other departments.
    - vlod 4y ago
      This was for a v.large investment bank. There are most likely other departments, but HR generally manage all of the trip details and are the front for the employee. i.e. to save the employee wasting a bunch of time talking to X number of depts (that don't return calls etc) to try and get things setup. i.e. From a costing perspective, you don't want senior people or super busy (and expensive) engineers wasting a bunch of time.
      - fknorangesite 4y ago
        I still feel like you are using "HR" here to refer to a broader set of administrative roles that are not actually Human Resources.

ejb999 4y ago

The 'bad experiences' with HR are usually because of some employees not understanding who HR serves - I also have never had a problem with HR; you only deal with HR on your first day and last day for the most part. It's not much different than forgetting that the oh so helpful real estate agent is there to make a sale and a commission, not to make sure you find the perfect house at the best price.

kayodelycaon 4y ago

I have a disability. A new HR person was hired and she started introducing policies as if we were a 100,000+ person company, when we had less than 400. Most of those policies ran head first into ADA. Hard. My manager and I had worked just fine with my limitations prior to these rules. The new HR person wanted to overrule everything and then got pissed when she had to start tracking my time off per hour in a spreadsheet and manually adjust payroll because she didn't know how to enter it in the system properly. She did some serious gymnastics to get me fired over the protests of several layers of management.

watwut 4y ago

Our company created HR and the result was surprisingly positive. The hiring process started to be way more organized - they made no decisions, but planned interviews, made sure they are when everyone is available and knows about them. They were also available to explain labor laws, regulations and process whenever leader/manager needed it. That alone made a lot of stuff more predictable. I was skeptical at first, but it was definitely an improvement.

solarmist 4y ago
Well, yeah. That’s their job support management. HR is friends with management, until discrimination or labor laws some into play. The cases where this is true for ICs pretty much stops after recruiting and onboarding.