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Well for all the broohaha from the "YOU DONT NEED COLLEGE" folks the reality is still that trades are very underpaid unless you run your own business and your b

Well for all the broohaha from the "YOU DONT NEED COLLEGE" folks the reality is still that trades are very underpaid unless you run your own business and your body will break down doing physical labor for 8+ hours a day.

tpmx 4y ago
In e.g. Scandinavia: The salary difference between say a software dev and a trade worker is pretty small (perhaps 30% less after taxes). The body breaking down aspect is still an issue. Younger people in these fields seem a lot more aware though - they're practically health freaks compared to your stereotypical 50-ish somewhat round trade worker with back pain issues. I guess we'll have to wait and see how that generation fares with 4.5 decades of phyical work. Japan is probabably the place look at for research.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  30% is the difference between $100k and $70k. That's a lot of money...
  - tpmx 4y ago
    Again, it's 30%. It's a very small difference compared to e.g. the US norm. I actually think it's too small, but perhaps that's just me.
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    Well relatively speaking your lifestyle isn't likely going to change dramatically between those two incomes. In the US the difference is several hundred percent.
    - nibbleshifter 4y ago
      The difference in lifestyle between those two incomes is pretty decent.
      - tpmx 4y ago
        Do you think everyone should be paid the same irregardless of the value of their labor/output?
        nibbleshifter 4y ago
        That's not what I said. I was pointing out that there is a significant difference in quality of life, and lifestyle, between a person on 70k and 100k. Which the poster in was responding to seemed to think was not the case.
    - tw98521358 4y ago
      It’s basically double discretionary spending
- Ekaros 4y ago
  30% is few hundred to thousand euros. That is not actually trivial change in income. Specially considering what you have leftover paying for housing, transport and food.

tpmx 4y ago

In e.g. Scandinavia: The salary difference between say a software dev and a trade worker is pretty small (perhaps 30% less after taxes). The body breaking down aspect is still an issue. Younger people in these fields seem a lot more aware though - they're practically health freaks compared to your stereotypical 50-ish somewhat round trade worker with back pain issues. I guess we'll have to wait and see how that generation fares with 4.5 decades of phyical work. Japan is probabably the place look at for research.

Ancalagon 4y ago
30% is the difference between $100k and $70k. That's a lot of money...
- tpmx 4y ago
  Again, it's 30%. It's a very small difference compared to e.g. the US norm. I actually think it's too small, but perhaps that's just me.
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Well relatively speaking your lifestyle isn't likely going to change dramatically between those two incomes. In the US the difference is several hundred percent.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    The difference in lifestyle between those two incomes is pretty decent.
    - tpmx 4y ago
      Do you think everyone should be paid the same irregardless of the value of their labor/output?
      - nibbleshifter 4y ago
        That's not what I said. I was pointing out that there is a significant difference in quality of life, and lifestyle, between a person on 70k and 100k. Which the poster in was responding to seemed to think was not the case.
  - tw98521358 4y ago
    It’s basically double discretionary spending
Ekaros 4y ago
30% is few hundred to thousand euros. That is not actually trivial change in income. Specially considering what you have leftover paying for housing, transport and food.