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So it wasn't the fact that large swaths of the wiki, or the sample images for the extensions are using images that are obviously stand ins for lolicon? There's

So it wasn't the fact that large swaths of the wiki, or the sample images for the extensions are using images that are obviously stand ins for lolicon? There's so much icky stuff going on in the generative art community and no one knows just how deep that rabbit hole goes. E.g.: https://github.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-webui-sonar https://github.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-webui-sonar (See bottom of page).

fpgaminer 4y ago
I recommend reporting that kind of content on GitHub. But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff".
- dylan604 4y ago
  > But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff". But it kind of is depending on your definition of icky. The fact that they've trained the models to be extremely proficient forgers should raise all sorts of red flags. I get the concept of homage and every great artist borrows/steals, blah blah, but as these things continue to get better, the lines between legit artist work and forgery will only blur to unknowable. Digital artists will now need to know how to cryptographically sign their work. There have been tools for this that most ignore because of pricing. (and no i'm not talking about NFT nonsense)
- richbell 4y ago
  > But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff" To be fair, there is substantial interest in using things like Stable Diffusion to generate pornography. There are several projects for hentai, etc. There have also been large threads on /g/ teaching people how to generate hypernerworks with suspiciously young looking subjects since the beginning. The "icky stuff" has a disturbing footprint.
  - fpgaminer 4y ago
    > To be fair, there is substantial interest in using things like Stable Diffusion to generate pornography. There are several projects for hentai, etc. Wanting to making pornography is perfectly normal and healthy; that's not something I consider icky. When I quoted "icky stuff" I thought we were talking about the generation of underage subjects.
    - numpad0 4y ago
      > underage subjects Have you seen ANY legal age subjects? Subjectively, how much fraction of anime pictures do you consider to be portraying individuals able to consent? I mean, if there was an NN code that is returning 0.0120000 for 85% in inference data but ranging evenly between 0.0 to 1.0 in training, intuition shouldn't be that it's the reality that is broken.
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sergiotapia 4y ago
I don't understand why people give a shit. When did normies invade the spaces of these crazy intelligent lunatics? People purposely go play in filth then complain it's filthy.
- debacle 4y ago
  Hi, so I looked at the links in the above post and while cartoony they are clearly not okay. It's not a "normie" take that we shouldn't sexualize children, even if they are animated.
  - sergiotapia 4y ago
    It's repugnant, absolutely. But why do you care what those creeps are doing with code? That's what I don't understand.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    You just described a large swath of anime. I worked for a company licensing anime content, and there were some shows that I felt like I needed a shower after having to work with the content. As the parent of a small child during that time, it was very disturbing. I did not last long working for that company, and is the shortest stint for a company on my resume.
  - sillysaurusx 4y ago
    Are we looking at the same images? What’s sexual about https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-webui-sonar/main/img/ref.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-w... ? I was expecting some of the horrible stuff I’ve seen on 4chan, not something you might see in a mainstream (bad) anime. If anything, it looks like the AI cleaned it up and made it more presentable.
    - numpad0 4y ago
      Yeah, there's rarely the "disgusting child porn that sexualize minors" that people swear on bible to have seen it where they've seen it. It's always chalked up to "local cultural tolerances for molesting children" but ... almost feels like reading the SCP-040-JP creepypasta.
voldacar 4y ago
Username does not check out
- williamscales 4y ago
  I don’t 100% follow, I did a bit of googling and I don’t exactly grasp the problem. Could you point me in the right direction?
  - voldacar 4y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own
    - Der_Einzige 4y ago
      The only reason stirner didn't explicitly defend liberalism is that germany circa the 1840s was really, really garbage. This is why people think he was an "anarchist" It's in my self interest to not see icky things.

fpgaminer 4y ago

I recommend reporting that kind of content on GitHub. But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff".

dylan604 4y ago
> But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff". But it kind of is depending on your definition of icky. The fact that they've trained the models to be extremely proficient forgers should raise all sorts of red flags. I get the concept of homage and every great artist borrows/steals, blah blah, but as these things continue to get better, the lines between legit artist work and forgery will only blur to unknowable. Digital artists will now need to know how to cryptographically sign their work. There have been tools for this that most ignore because of pricing. (and no i'm not talking about NFT nonsense)
richbell 4y ago
> But please don't lump the entire generative art community in with "icky stuff" To be fair, there is substantial interest in using things like Stable Diffusion to generate pornography. There are several projects for hentai, etc. There have also been large threads on /g/ teaching people how to generate hypernerworks with suspiciously young looking subjects since the beginning. The "icky stuff" has a disturbing footprint.
- fpgaminer 4y ago
  > To be fair, there is substantial interest in using things like Stable Diffusion to generate pornography. There are several projects for hentai, etc. Wanting to making pornography is perfectly normal and healthy; that's not something I consider icky. When I quoted "icky stuff" I thought we were talking about the generation of underage subjects.
  - numpad0 4y ago
    > underage subjects Have you seen ANY legal age subjects? Subjectively, how much fraction of anime pictures do you consider to be portraying individuals able to consent? I mean, if there was an NN code that is returning 0.0120000 for 85% in inference data but ranging evenly between 0.0 to 1.0 in training, intuition shouldn't be that it's the reality that is broken.
- deleted 4y ago
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sergiotapia 4y ago

I don't understand why people give a shit. When did normies invade the spaces of these crazy intelligent lunatics? People purposely go play in filth then complain it's filthy.

debacle 4y ago
Hi, so I looked at the links in the above post and while cartoony they are clearly not okay. It's not a "normie" take that we shouldn't sexualize children, even if they are animated.
- sergiotapia 4y ago
  It's repugnant, absolutely. But why do you care what those creeps are doing with code? That's what I don't understand.
- dylan604 4y ago
  You just described a large swath of anime. I worked for a company licensing anime content, and there were some shows that I felt like I needed a shower after having to work with the content. As the parent of a small child during that time, it was very disturbing. I did not last long working for that company, and is the shortest stint for a company on my resume.
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  Are we looking at the same images? What’s sexual about https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-webui-sonar/main/img/ref.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kahsolt/stable-diffusion-w... ? I was expecting some of the horrible stuff I’ve seen on 4chan, not something you might see in a mainstream (bad) anime. If anything, it looks like the AI cleaned it up and made it more presentable.
  - numpad0 4y ago
    Yeah, there's rarely the "disgusting child porn that sexualize minors" that people swear on bible to have seen it where they've seen it. It's always chalked up to "local cultural tolerances for molesting children" but ... almost feels like reading the SCP-040-JP creepypasta.

voldacar 4y ago

Username does not check out

williamscales 4y ago
I don’t 100% follow, I did a bit of googling and I don’t exactly grasp the problem. Could you point me in the right direction?
- voldacar 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own
  - Der_Einzige 4y ago
    The only reason stirner didn't explicitly defend liberalism is that germany circa the 1840s was really, really garbage. This is why people think he was an "anarchist" It's in my self interest to not see icky things.