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That's the left's problem IMO. The right knows that their game is to gain power and use it to achieve goals. The liberal left (which is most of it if we're hone

That's the left's problem IMO. The right knows that their game is to gain power and use it to achieve goals. The liberal left (which is most of it if we're honest) thinks they are just trying to gain enough power to make everyone play by the rules. The problem is that there is not enough power in the world to make your enemies bargain in good faith. Anyway this derailed from the OP which is about some new rules that might slightly tip the power in the employer-employee relationship in favor of employees. As an employee (leftists like to say "worker" but it means the same thing), this would be good for me.

lolinder 4y ago
No, I'm saying that my dad gave me this exact lecture in 2009 but in reverse—he said that the problem with the right is that they play nice while the liberals will do anything it takes to take power and accomplish their goals. Literally the exact same thing that you're saying but in reverse. I think what it actually is is that there are factions within each group who match your description and it is hard to see the faction in your own group because you agree with them.
- taeric 4y ago
  I know it will sound like a slight to your dad, but in 2009 many conservative news outlets were pushing this narrative extremely heavily. And, I don't recall any actual evidence to back it up. It was more a weaponized accusation, much as marital infidelity was in the mid/late 90s. Worse, by all evidence since then, the record seems to be far more in the opposite direction. :(
  - lolinder 4y ago
    No offense taken: I strongly disagree with my dad on politics, and a big part of the reason why is because of just how bad the conservative media was in those years. Also, even he was appalled by the turn the Republican party took with Trump. I doubt he would argue the same today. He's a diehard believer in constitutional law, and he projected his ideals onto people who didn't actually hold them. That said, I do believe the same tendency occurs on the liberal side. It's easy to notice when your opponent cheats, it's much harder to see it when a teammate does.
    - taeric 4y ago
      I fully agree on your closing proposition. I think my only concern is I'm worried that is, itself, turning into a weapon.

lolinder 4y ago

No, I'm saying that my dad gave me this exact lecture in 2009 but in reverse—he said that the problem with the right is that they play nice while the liberals will do anything it takes to take power and accomplish their goals. Literally the exact same thing that you're saying but in reverse. I think what it actually is is that there are factions within each group who match your description and it is hard to see the faction in your own group because you agree with them.

taeric 4y ago
I know it will sound like a slight to your dad, but in 2009 many conservative news outlets were pushing this narrative extremely heavily. And, I don't recall any actual evidence to back it up. It was more a weaponized accusation, much as marital infidelity was in the mid/late 90s. Worse, by all evidence since then, the record seems to be far more in the opposite direction. :(
- lolinder 4y ago
  No offense taken: I strongly disagree with my dad on politics, and a big part of the reason why is because of just how bad the conservative media was in those years. Also, even he was appalled by the turn the Republican party took with Trump. I doubt he would argue the same today. He's a diehard believer in constitutional law, and he projected his ideals onto people who didn't actually hold them. That said, I do believe the same tendency occurs on the liberal side. It's easy to notice when your opponent cheats, it's much harder to see it when a teammate does.
  - taeric 4y ago
    I fully agree on your closing proposition. I think my only concern is I'm worried that is, itself, turning into a weapon.