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Hey if you guys want to go down that libertarian rabbit hole with me I'm with you! But it feels a little bit strange to me that people are on board with the id

Hey if you guys want to go down that libertarian rabbit hole with me I'm with you! But it feels a little bit strange to me that people are on board with the idea that the government should be protecting me from buying antibiotics without getting themselves involved, but they don't think they should be protecting my children from being sexually harassed on the internet by pornographers. If that's the modality we are going to switch to, where it becomes my responsibility to protect myself and my family from bad actors then fine. I accept the compromise. Please direct me to the place I can buy whatever medications I want without the government knowing or caring, and the place where I can attach unregulated firearms to my unregistered drones to hunt bears on my property. But again it seems pretty odd to me that there is nobody up in arms about the fact that my kid needs to show ID and get my permission to get antibiotics, but you guys are all up in arms because he, a 12 year old, can't go online and be monetized into watching incest gangbang porn so that mindgeek can make a few cents off of ads for escort services and dick pills.

catiopatio 4y ago
I’m opposed to both, but I’m not sure that’s even relevant. Compared to a bored store clerk eyeballing your ID in person, digital, cryptographically enforced, centralized state identity verification on the internet is a powerful new tool for state censorship and control. The same “save the children” imperative could have been achieved by requiring that porn sites set a header designating themselves as porn, and letting the private market voluntarily add support to their parental controls for filtering that content. Nothing about this problem requires abrogating both privacy rights and parental responsibility.
nmz 4y ago
Who's sexually harassing anyone here? You go on pornhub to look at porn, nobody ends up at pornhup by mistake. To say pornhub is harassing is like dropping yourself into a volcano and being mad that its hot. For something to be harassment it has to be unwanted.
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- thepasswordis 4y ago
  Do you extend this thinking to other forms of child sexual abuse? For instance: if a child meets an adult in person for sex, do you justify this by saying that "nobody ends up meeting somebody for sex by mistake"?
  - nmz 4y ago
    That is illegal. I also don't conflate reality with fiction. Porn isn't real.

catiopatio 4y ago

I’m opposed to both, but I’m not sure that’s even relevant. Compared to a bored store clerk eyeballing your ID in person, digital, cryptographically enforced, centralized state identity verification on the internet is a powerful new tool for state censorship and control. The same “save the children” imperative could have been achieved by requiring that porn sites set a header designating themselves as porn, and letting the private market voluntarily add support to their parental controls for filtering that content. Nothing about this problem requires abrogating both privacy rights and parental responsibility.

nmz 4y ago

Who's sexually harassing anyone here? You go on pornhub to look at porn, nobody ends up at pornhup by mistake. To say pornhub is harassing is like dropping yourself into a volcano and being mad that its hot. For something to be harassment it has to be unwanted.

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thepasswordis 4y ago
Do you extend this thinking to other forms of child sexual abuse? For instance: if a child meets an adult in person for sex, do you justify this by saying that "nobody ends up meeting somebody for sex by mistake"?
- nmz 4y ago
  That is illegal. I also don't conflate reality with fiction. Porn isn't real.