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> I am concerned with the channels attempts to front and center homosexuality targeted at kids This is the first I've heard this complaint. Could you share som

> I am concerned with the channels attempts to front and center homosexuality targeted at kids This is the first I've heard this complaint. Could you share some examples of this type of content and why it's concerning to you? I don't have Disney+ or kids.

wonderwonder 4y ago
There have been several times, generally during pride month where gay focused shows have been the top items displayed on my kids accounts when they login. Adult accounts are fine. They are animated and kid friendly shows so they encourage children to click on them. Really don't want my kids watching an animated show telling them how to come out. Another is a large number of recent Disney movies feature LGBTQ main characters such as Strange World. This is fine I am not telling a company what to make but I generally try to limit my kids exposure to homosexuality and the main character in an animated movie being gay makes that difficult and leads to me having to tell my kids they can't watch something while being vague on the reason. I'm not anti gay, I'm pro gay marriage and pro adults doing whatever they want. I just want to limit my kids exposure to it while they are young. Just a personal choice.
- ryandrake 4y ago
  I know I'm not going to change your mind, but this viewpoint just seems so strange and morbidly fascinating. What exactly does "exposure to homosexuality" even mean? These shows and movies aren't depicting gay sex. They aren't trying to convince straight kids that they are gay. They aren't even advocating politics. What specific content do you object to? My kid is Disney movie aged, and we've watched em all--it's exhausting. But, I've never seen anything even remotely objectionable. "Gays exist" is about as far as any of them go. Is that really what's objectionable?
  - jsmith45 4y ago
    While I cannot speak for OP, I have noticed that some people seem to view non-straight orientations as inherently sexual. To those people any reference to having a same sex spouse (or that you date members of the same sex, etc.) is equivalent to mentioning that you engage in BDSM. I do think most people would be weirded about about a kids show having characters that mention they are into BDSM would be weird and inappropriate. Of course mentioning that you are not straight is no more inherently sexual than mentioning that you have an opposite sex spouse, or that you like people of the opposite sex romantically. Honestly, I think a large part of the issue is use of the phrase "homosexual" in many places where "homoromatic" would be better (and people equating the word "gay" with homosexual, rather than homoromantic). In plenty of circumstances discussing who you find hot or who you are sleeping with would be inappropriate, while mentioning who you are dating, or married to would not be inappropriate. For example, I probably should not know who my boss is sleeping with, but it would not be weird to know who they are married to, if not married, to know their long term dating partner. The fact that most people sleep with those they date, and that their romantic orientation tends to align with sexual orientation is not really relevant.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      I agree with this to a point but I think a lot of this has to do with the overt sexualization of pro gay demonstrations. Pride parades contain a lot of heightened sexuality. One of the drivers of my point of view (which for me is relatively new) and my aversion to letting my kids watch gay shows was I accidentally drove passed a pride parade with my young kid a while ago and he saw several men walking with their rear ends sexually exposed. Sex vs romantic intentions is often associated with homosexuality but its not only the fault of the people wishing to limit exposure of their kids to it, its also the fault of those advocating for it. I am 100% for adults doing whatever they want sexually in the privacy of their homes, I just disagree with pulling bystanders into it. This is different that romantic displays, if a couple of gay dudes want to walk down the street dressed in a tshirt and jeans holding hands, more power to them.
      - Mezzie 4y ago
        Honestly, I agree with you. (And I'm a lesbian). In my opinion, if we want to be accepted members of the community, we need to hold ourselves to the same standards as any other community members. It's also, unfortunately, a bad cycle: The boring gays like me start staying home and being quiet but then there's nobody around to say 'uh, maybe there should be a public and private distinction in acceptable behavior and attire'. If we expect people to trust us with their kids, we need to be trustworthy around kids.
      - jsmith45 4y ago
        I do agree that far too many people treat public pride events as kink events, which is really f'ed up. The most important rule about kink is not to involve unwilling participants. This even includes things like dont go around wearing your gimp mask in public. At a kink convention, sure, i guess that sort of think might be acceptable. Unfortunately, pride events are in an awkward spot where many have long been associated with queer kink communities, and when organizers or reasonable members of the community try to reign this crap in, they get a lot of pushback from people who don't want to lose the event where they can be kinky in public. Many pride events would really benefit from either becoming a properly family friend event, possibly with a a contained 18+ area for the kink stuff, or become a fully 18+ event, and setting up so as to minimize exposure to the general public. Sadly not all of them are doing so...
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Each of us is an inexperienced parent; we can all only do what we think is right. What I think is right may differ from you, and that's completely ok. My main objection to this really started when I saw the short "Out" listed prominently on my kids Disney+ account. Its an animated kid friendly short detailing how to come out to your family. While I don't think that watching a show like this will turn someone gay I do think it can potentially lead to confusion in a kid. My take is that while people are generally born gay, that peoples minds can be changed or confusion introduced, in much the same way that exposure to pornography can induce / awaken sexual fetishes (I am not calling being gay a fetish). I am very open to the fact that I could be completely wrong and I am ok with that. My kids know about gay people and I am always careful to tell them that people are free to live their lives and be happy how they want. In the long run I don't think not allowing my kids to watch a few shows is going to have detrimental affects and just do the best that I can.
    - Mezzie 4y ago
      > My main objection to this really started when I saw the short "Out" listed prominently on my kids Disney+ account. Its an animated kid friendly short detailing how to come out to your family. I hate shit like this. It's just pandering to progressive parents who will sit and watch that with their kids. No kid under 9 or 10 is concerned with coming out (or at least they're a very tiny population), and in middle school liking childish things (like twee Disney shorts) is cringe as hell, so they're not watching it. It's all about parents being able to give themselves backpats, which is stupid. Or Disney employees who want to pack themselves on the back for being progressive enough. Like just from an audience standpoint, it doesn't make sense?
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        "Or Disney employees who want to pack themselves on the back for being progressive enough" I think this is the main driver of much of the fault in current society. Not Disney employees but people on the extreme of both political spectrums who are relatively few in number but very loud. They take over the conversation and speak so loudly that everyone else is afraid of objecting for fear of being cancelled or made fun of. Social media has made the issue 100x worse. The majority center who for the most part just want everyone to get along have lost power. Everyone wants to tell everyone else how to live and force their opinions on the public. I just want everyone to be able to live happy quiet lives. This is not a comment hearkening for the return to the "good ol days" as I know that being gay or black was a hundred times harder a few decades ago. Today its no longer ok to be not racist, we have to be radically anti-racist. Its not ok to be pro gay people having equal rights, we have to be be for openly advocating for transexuality in schools. Its all exhausting.
- Mezzie 4y ago
  You have the right to parent your kids any way you want, but I want to gently say that if you have a gay kid, this isn't going to make a difference. I knew I was gay (or at least same sex attracted) when I was 5 or 6. And one reason I knew this is that 80+% of movies I watched ended in male + female romances and I didn't get why I didn't like that, so I started searching online. Which is to say if you have a gay kid and are clearly 'don't want to talk about gay things', your kids might end up going to other adults which is not good. If you do want to avoid all the Pride stuff/gay characters (I mean I'm gay and I agree it's annoying and wish they'd cool it in kid's media) can you VPN or set your location to somewhere that censors the content? China or the Middle East, etc. Usually that's why it's such a small part in Disney productions; they cut it for other countries.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    I 100% agree with you, I think that the vast majority of people are gay because they are born that way. I wish gay people nothing but happiness. I think that sexual confusion can arise though when kids are exposed to new ideas / concepts and I just want to delay that exposure as much as I can until they are older (at least middle school). Its just a personal parenting choice; I could be wrong and am ok with that. If my kid ends up gay then he's gay, I love him the same.
    - Mezzie 4y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean by 'sexual confusion' unless you mean the gay version of me trying desperately to make myself like men? Or something like my sister who thought she was bi for a while because I was the only decent role model she had and I was gay. The reason I mention how young I was is because having romance shoved in my face constantly made me aware by the time I was a kindergartner that something was 'wrong' with me. Now, you do say 'he' and male kids get more of an opt out there, but as a girl child? It wasn't great. Also, what do you fear about the sexual confusion? Do you think your child will be hurt/taken advantage of? I guess to me the defining line is how are you treating straight romances? Because tbh my thought is that children's media in general goes way too hard into romance and I agree with you that in general prepubescent childhood shouldn't be the time for that - I get major ick from all the het stuff we push on kids and I don't think the answer is 'push our (queer) stuff onto them too!' Like why does The Lion King need a romance? (Also do you worry about things like that turning them into furries?) Basically, are you consistent or do you single out homosexuality? (Also thank you for engaging; it's hard to have conversations about this that don't devolve into name calling. There are pretty legitimate reasons to not want a kid to turn out gay if there is a nurture component: It severely limits their partners and/or opens them up to abuse from culture around them. It's obvious why a parent wouldn't want that for their child.)
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wonderwonder 4y ago

There have been several times, generally during pride month where gay focused shows have been the top items displayed on my kids accounts when they login. Adult accounts are fine. They are animated and kid friendly shows so they encourage children to click on them. Really don't want my kids watching an animated show telling them how to come out. Another is a large number of recent Disney movies feature LGBTQ main characters such as Strange World. This is fine I am not telling a company what to make but I generally try to limit my kids exposure to homosexuality and the main character in an animated movie being gay makes that difficult and leads to me having to tell my kids they can't watch something while being vague on the reason. I'm not anti gay, I'm pro gay marriage and pro adults doing whatever they want. I just want to limit my kids exposure to it while they are young. Just a personal choice.

ryandrake 4y ago
I know I'm not going to change your mind, but this viewpoint just seems so strange and morbidly fascinating. What exactly does "exposure to homosexuality" even mean? These shows and movies aren't depicting gay sex. They aren't trying to convince straight kids that they are gay. They aren't even advocating politics. What specific content do you object to? My kid is Disney movie aged, and we've watched em all--it's exhausting. But, I've never seen anything even remotely objectionable. "Gays exist" is about as far as any of them go. Is that really what's objectionable?
- jsmith45 4y ago
  While I cannot speak for OP, I have noticed that some people seem to view non-straight orientations as inherently sexual. To those people any reference to having a same sex spouse (or that you date members of the same sex, etc.) is equivalent to mentioning that you engage in BDSM. I do think most people would be weirded about about a kids show having characters that mention they are into BDSM would be weird and inappropriate. Of course mentioning that you are not straight is no more inherently sexual than mentioning that you have an opposite sex spouse, or that you like people of the opposite sex romantically. Honestly, I think a large part of the issue is use of the phrase "homosexual" in many places where "homoromatic" would be better (and people equating the word "gay" with homosexual, rather than homoromantic). In plenty of circumstances discussing who you find hot or who you are sleeping with would be inappropriate, while mentioning who you are dating, or married to would not be inappropriate. For example, I probably should not know who my boss is sleeping with, but it would not be weird to know who they are married to, if not married, to know their long term dating partner. The fact that most people sleep with those they date, and that their romantic orientation tends to align with sexual orientation is not really relevant.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    I agree with this to a point but I think a lot of this has to do with the overt sexualization of pro gay demonstrations. Pride parades contain a lot of heightened sexuality. One of the drivers of my point of view (which for me is relatively new) and my aversion to letting my kids watch gay shows was I accidentally drove passed a pride parade with my young kid a while ago and he saw several men walking with their rear ends sexually exposed. Sex vs romantic intentions is often associated with homosexuality but its not only the fault of the people wishing to limit exposure of their kids to it, its also the fault of those advocating for it. I am 100% for adults doing whatever they want sexually in the privacy of their homes, I just disagree with pulling bystanders into it. This is different that romantic displays, if a couple of gay dudes want to walk down the street dressed in a tshirt and jeans holding hands, more power to them.
    - Mezzie 4y ago
      Honestly, I agree with you. (And I'm a lesbian). In my opinion, if we want to be accepted members of the community, we need to hold ourselves to the same standards as any other community members. It's also, unfortunately, a bad cycle: The boring gays like me start staying home and being quiet but then there's nobody around to say 'uh, maybe there should be a public and private distinction in acceptable behavior and attire'. If we expect people to trust us with their kids, we need to be trustworthy around kids.
    - jsmith45 4y ago
      I do agree that far too many people treat public pride events as kink events, which is really f'ed up. The most important rule about kink is not to involve unwilling participants. This even includes things like dont go around wearing your gimp mask in public. At a kink convention, sure, i guess that sort of think might be acceptable. Unfortunately, pride events are in an awkward spot where many have long been associated with queer kink communities, and when organizers or reasonable members of the community try to reign this crap in, they get a lot of pushback from people who don't want to lose the event where they can be kinky in public. Many pride events would really benefit from either becoming a properly family friend event, possibly with a a contained 18+ area for the kink stuff, or become a fully 18+ event, and setting up so as to minimize exposure to the general public. Sadly not all of them are doing so...
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Each of us is an inexperienced parent; we can all only do what we think is right. What I think is right may differ from you, and that's completely ok. My main objection to this really started when I saw the short "Out" listed prominently on my kids Disney+ account. Its an animated kid friendly short detailing how to come out to your family. While I don't think that watching a show like this will turn someone gay I do think it can potentially lead to confusion in a kid. My take is that while people are generally born gay, that peoples minds can be changed or confusion introduced, in much the same way that exposure to pornography can induce / awaken sexual fetishes (I am not calling being gay a fetish). I am very open to the fact that I could be completely wrong and I am ok with that. My kids know about gay people and I am always careful to tell them that people are free to live their lives and be happy how they want. In the long run I don't think not allowing my kids to watch a few shows is going to have detrimental affects and just do the best that I can.
  - Mezzie 4y ago
    > My main objection to this really started when I saw the short "Out" listed prominently on my kids Disney+ account. Its an animated kid friendly short detailing how to come out to your family. I hate shit like this. It's just pandering to progressive parents who will sit and watch that with their kids. No kid under 9 or 10 is concerned with coming out (or at least they're a very tiny population), and in middle school liking childish things (like twee Disney shorts) is cringe as hell, so they're not watching it. It's all about parents being able to give themselves backpats, which is stupid. Or Disney employees who want to pack themselves on the back for being progressive enough. Like just from an audience standpoint, it doesn't make sense?
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      "Or Disney employees who want to pack themselves on the back for being progressive enough" I think this is the main driver of much of the fault in current society. Not Disney employees but people on the extreme of both political spectrums who are relatively few in number but very loud. They take over the conversation and speak so loudly that everyone else is afraid of objecting for fear of being cancelled or made fun of. Social media has made the issue 100x worse. The majority center who for the most part just want everyone to get along have lost power. Everyone wants to tell everyone else how to live and force their opinions on the public. I just want everyone to be able to live happy quiet lives. This is not a comment hearkening for the return to the "good ol days" as I know that being gay or black was a hundred times harder a few decades ago. Today its no longer ok to be not racist, we have to be radically anti-racist. Its not ok to be pro gay people having equal rights, we have to be be for openly advocating for transexuality in schools. Its all exhausting.
Mezzie 4y ago
You have the right to parent your kids any way you want, but I want to gently say that if you have a gay kid, this isn't going to make a difference. I knew I was gay (or at least same sex attracted) when I was 5 or 6. And one reason I knew this is that 80+% of movies I watched ended in male + female romances and I didn't get why I didn't like that, so I started searching online. Which is to say if you have a gay kid and are clearly 'don't want to talk about gay things', your kids might end up going to other adults which is not good. If you do want to avoid all the Pride stuff/gay characters (I mean I'm gay and I agree it's annoying and wish they'd cool it in kid's media) can you VPN or set your location to somewhere that censors the content? China or the Middle East, etc. Usually that's why it's such a small part in Disney productions; they cut it for other countries.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  I 100% agree with you, I think that the vast majority of people are gay because they are born that way. I wish gay people nothing but happiness. I think that sexual confusion can arise though when kids are exposed to new ideas / concepts and I just want to delay that exposure as much as I can until they are older (at least middle school). Its just a personal parenting choice; I could be wrong and am ok with that. If my kid ends up gay then he's gay, I love him the same.
  - Mezzie 4y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean by 'sexual confusion' unless you mean the gay version of me trying desperately to make myself like men? Or something like my sister who thought she was bi for a while because I was the only decent role model she had and I was gay. The reason I mention how young I was is because having romance shoved in my face constantly made me aware by the time I was a kindergartner that something was 'wrong' with me. Now, you do say 'he' and male kids get more of an opt out there, but as a girl child? It wasn't great. Also, what do you fear about the sexual confusion? Do you think your child will be hurt/taken advantage of? I guess to me the defining line is how are you treating straight romances? Because tbh my thought is that children's media in general goes way too hard into romance and I agree with you that in general prepubescent childhood shouldn't be the time for that - I get major ick from all the het stuff we push on kids and I don't think the answer is 'push our (queer) stuff onto them too!' Like why does The Lion King need a romance? (Also do you worry about things like that turning them into furries?) Basically, are you consistent or do you single out homosexuality? (Also thank you for engaging; it's hard to have conversations about this that don't devolve into name calling. There are pretty legitimate reasons to not want a kid to turn out gay if there is a nurture component: It severely limits their partners and/or opens them up to abuse from culture around them. It's obvious why a parent wouldn't want that for their child.)

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