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Aside from the absolute absurdity of this.. especially from one of the states that value "freedom" more than anything else cough cough. How does this even work

Aside from the absolute absurdity of this.. especially from one of the states that value "freedom" more than anything else cough cough. How does this even work legally? If pornhub is not physically located in Lousiana but only accessible from there.. why do they even have to comply with this law? What would be consequences of not doing so? Would the only result be that Lousiana ISPs be forced to block them?

seanw444 4y ago
In which case, I can see the how-to videos popping up already: "How to Unblock PH In 10 Minutes! (VPN)"
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  The same people who think this is a good idea are bound to think that banning VPNs (to save the children) is also a good idea.
brookst 4y ago
Pornhub just doesn’t want the hassle of a legal fight or PR-centric indictments from grandstanding politicians. Easier to block a state that probably contributes little revenue and (per pornhub stats) just stresses the trans porn servers.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  If it's like the UKs proposals then MindGeek (PornHub owner) will have the good to go super private honest, ID portal. Plus they've lost a strong of these. Mostly from hedge funds that invest in visa/MasterCard turn out to be the source of morality. Like Bill Ackerman [0] already did with PornHub. [0] https://www.businessinsider.co.za/amp/bill-ackman-pornhub-millions-unauthorized-video-removed-mastercard-visa-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/amp/bill-ackman-pornhub-mi...
  - vxNsr 4y ago
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  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    PH and other porn sites have pivoted to direct ACH transfers and crypto. Ironically, I can see these efforts becoming one of the biggest contributors towards evangelizing censorship-resistant forms of payments.
    - psychphysic 4y ago
      Yes, it's overall good for privacy. Similar to how VPN became popular due to geoblocking streaming content. WhatsApp added encryption to avoid tricky legal positions.
dylan604 4y ago
Shouldn't Louisiana be responsible for stopping this information from illegally crossing its borders if this is how they want their citizens to behave? Coming soon, The Great Cajunwall
selimthegrim 4y ago
CenturyLink or whatever they’re called now is still based in Louisiana
- spiderice 4y ago
  How could CenturyLink possibly know if someone has submitted their ID to PH? Unless you're suggesting Louisiana force CL to block PH, which I'm sure would have all sorts of freedom of speech implications.
aliqot 4y ago
Louisiana doesn't value freedom or "freedom". They have more of a percentage of their people incarcerated than any other state in the USA, even more than Iraq.
- eatsyourtacos 4y ago
  Of course it doesn't. I'm just being facetious since conservative talking points are all about freedom when most of their policies are the exact opposite.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Nothing about this has to do with conservative talking points.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - eatsyourtacos 4y ago
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- albrewer 4y ago
  Related anecdote: My father-in-law died in Louisiana state police custody, in a pretty brutal and depressing way, after breaking no laws but "acting suspiciously" in a casino parking lot. No lawyer would touch the case because he had meth in his system according to the toxicology report, despite the fact he'd been restrained for hours before he died. Apparently it's nigh-impossible to bring a wrongful death suit against police in Louisiana.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Sorry for his loss.
eldritch_4ier 4y ago
Is it an Infringement On Freedom to require age verification before you can purchase alcohol? Or enter a strip club? Or even walk into some bars or many clubs? Or to buy a gun? Or rent a car? Or vote? Or buy porn magazines from a store? Why is internet porn unique in this respect? Our society is FULL of porn. It's everywhere. Kids are exposed to it at an average age of 10. - The question isn't "should we require age verification for adult things" (because we already do) - The question isn't "should we require age verification for porn" (because we already do for physical porn) The question is: why should internet porn be the ONLY exception?
- silent_cal 4y ago
  Exactly, and this is still less restriction than we have on the other things you mentioned.
- hestefisk 4y ago
  Because it does not cause harm. Alcohol, tobacco, cars, and guns etc do.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    It definitely causes harm. You can have a cigar and not be harmed. You can have a drink and not be harmed. Excess is harmful in everything, including porn. I have nothing against any of the items in your list, this is purely for the conversation.
    - eatsyourtacos 4y ago
      >It definitely causes harm. That is your opinion. It has no basis in reality. >Excess is harmful in everything, including porn. You can't have it both ways and just spit out "porn causes harm" but then say "excess of anything is bad". Sure, excess of porn (like anything else) is bad. But porn itself is not harmful at all. If you are going to say otherwise, you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Yeah, go google some randomly study that says it is and there are a billion more to dispute that. Plus, if you really think watching porn is "bad", well holy shit then nearly everyone in the world is at great harm because believe it or not almost everyone watches porn.
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xwowsersx 4y ago
I'm no expert on this subject, but > If pornhub is not physically located in Lousiana but only accessible from there.. why do they even have to comply with this law? I'm not sure this is how the question of the applicability of a particular state's laws to website is determined. AFAIK, a website is considered to be operating in a state if it is directed towards users in that state. For example, if a website targets users in California, it would be considered to be operating in California, even if the website's servers are located in a different state. More generally, websites need to abide by laws of the states in which they operate, i.e. complying with any relevant regulations and laws related to e.g. sale of goods/services, advertising, privacy, and other consumer protections. Sometimes it's difficult or impossible to fully comply with the laws of every state in which it operates, due to differences between state laws. So, I'm sure the way this works is more complex than I'm presenting it, but I do know that physical location is not dispositive.

seanw444 4y ago

In which case, I can see the how-to videos popping up already: "How to Unblock PH In 10 Minutes! (VPN)"

commandlinefan 4y ago
The same people who think this is a good idea are bound to think that banning VPNs (to save the children) is also a good idea.

brookst 4y ago

Pornhub just doesn’t want the hassle of a legal fight or PR-centric indictments from grandstanding politicians. Easier to block a state that probably contributes little revenue and (per pornhub stats) just stresses the trans porn servers.

psychphysic 4y ago
If it's like the UKs proposals then MindGeek (PornHub owner) will have the good to go super private honest, ID portal. Plus they've lost a strong of these. Mostly from hedge funds that invest in visa/MasterCard turn out to be the source of morality. Like Bill Ackerman [0] already did with PornHub. [0] https://www.businessinsider.co.za/amp/bill-ackman-pornhub-millions-unauthorized-video-removed-mastercard-visa-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/amp/bill-ackman-pornhub-mi...
- vxNsr 4y ago
  [flagged]
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  PH and other porn sites have pivoted to direct ACH transfers and crypto. Ironically, I can see these efforts becoming one of the biggest contributors towards evangelizing censorship-resistant forms of payments.
  - psychphysic 4y ago
    Yes, it's overall good for privacy. Similar to how VPN became popular due to geoblocking streaming content. WhatsApp added encryption to avoid tricky legal positions.

dylan604 4y ago

Shouldn't Louisiana be responsible for stopping this information from illegally crossing its borders if this is how they want their citizens to behave? Coming soon, The Great Cajunwall

selimthegrim 4y ago

CenturyLink or whatever they’re called now is still based in Louisiana

spiderice 4y ago
How could CenturyLink possibly know if someone has submitted their ID to PH? Unless you're suggesting Louisiana force CL to block PH, which I'm sure would have all sorts of freedom of speech implications.

aliqot 4y ago

Louisiana doesn't value freedom or "freedom". They have more of a percentage of their people incarcerated than any other state in the USA, even more than Iraq.

eatsyourtacos 4y ago
Of course it doesn't. I'm just being facetious since conservative talking points are all about freedom when most of their policies are the exact opposite.
- aliqot 4y ago
  Nothing about this has to do with conservative talking points.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - eatsyourtacos 4y ago
    [flagged]
albrewer 4y ago
Related anecdote: My father-in-law died in Louisiana state police custody, in a pretty brutal and depressing way, after breaking no laws but "acting suspiciously" in a casino parking lot. No lawyer would touch the case because he had meth in his system according to the toxicology report, despite the fact he'd been restrained for hours before he died. Apparently it's nigh-impossible to bring a wrongful death suit against police in Louisiana.
- aliqot 4y ago
  Sorry for his loss.

eldritch_4ier 4y ago

Is it an Infringement On Freedom to require age verification before you can purchase alcohol? Or enter a strip club? Or even walk into some bars or many clubs? Or to buy a gun? Or rent a car? Or vote? Or buy porn magazines from a store? Why is internet porn unique in this respect? Our society is FULL of porn. It's everywhere. Kids are exposed to it at an average age of 10. - The question isn't "should we require age verification for adult things" (because we already do) - The question isn't "should we require age verification for porn" (because we already do for physical porn) The question is: why should internet porn be the ONLY exception?

silent_cal 4y ago
Exactly, and this is still less restriction than we have on the other things you mentioned.
hestefisk 4y ago
Because it does not cause harm. Alcohol, tobacco, cars, and guns etc do.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  It definitely causes harm. You can have a cigar and not be harmed. You can have a drink and not be harmed. Excess is harmful in everything, including porn. I have nothing against any of the items in your list, this is purely for the conversation.
  - eatsyourtacos 4y ago
    >It definitely causes harm. That is your opinion. It has no basis in reality. >Excess is harmful in everything, including porn. You can't have it both ways and just spit out "porn causes harm" but then say "excess of anything is bad". Sure, excess of porn (like anything else) is bad. But porn itself is not harmful at all. If you are going to say otherwise, you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Yeah, go google some randomly study that says it is and there are a billion more to dispute that. Plus, if you really think watching porn is "bad", well holy shit then nearly everyone in the world is at great harm because believe it or not almost everyone watches porn.

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xwowsersx 4y ago

I'm no expert on this subject, but > If pornhub is not physically located in Lousiana but only accessible from there.. why do they even have to comply with this law? I'm not sure this is how the question of the applicability of a particular state's laws to website is determined. AFAIK, a website is considered to be operating in a state if it is directed towards users in that state. For example, if a website targets users in California, it would be considered to be operating in California, even if the website's servers are located in a different state. More generally, websites need to abide by laws of the states in which they operate, i.e. complying with any relevant regulations and laws related to e.g. sale of goods/services, advertising, privacy, and other consumer protections. Sometimes it's difficult or impossible to fully comply with the laws of every state in which it operates, due to differences between state laws. So, I'm sure the way this works is more complex than I'm presenting it, but I do know that physical location is not dispositive.