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Often there are clear voice and accent differences. Are you saying there aren't? That would be a very strange statement.

mhuffman 4y ago
Not so strange! ... at least when it comes to the legal community[1] (pdf). For those around during the O.J. Simpson trial, this was a very, very contentious topic during the trial! [1]https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/sites.wustl.edu/dist/3/2151/files/2019/09/amspeechbaugh.pdf https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/sites.wustl.edu/dist/3/2151/fi...
- vortegne 4y ago
  I see your point. And of course it's not a 100% accurate thing, but you know what I mean. Being admissible in court as evidence and furthering representation of a group are two completely different things.
drexlspivey 4y ago
Accent depends on where you were born/raised, not on your race.
- 33955985 4y ago
  For the purposes of this discussion, this is a distinction without a difference. “Black voice” is a term of art, meant to convey that the voices in question were trained on features commonly associated with African American English. The voices in the example are US English voices. Race, ethnicity, accent, language — all of these are complex topics with plenty of nuances. Short of writing a dissertation, no simple reply on a web forum will appropriately capture them. The good news is, we don’t need to, since most Americans are familiar with African American English, whether they know the term itself or not, because African Americans have constituted a distinct culture in the US for all of the country’s history.
  - drexlspivey 4y ago
    This answer might have ben reasonable if US was the only place on earth. When I hear Giannis Antetokoumpo speak english for example he sounds exactly like a Spanish/Greek person speaking English even though the native population of these places is white.
    - 33955985 4y ago
      The US is Apple’s primary market and the focus of this campaign.

mhuffman 4y ago

Not so strange! ... at least when it comes to the legal community[1] (pdf). For those around during the O.J. Simpson trial, this was a very, very contentious topic during the trial! [1]https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/sites.wustl.edu/dist/3/2151/files/2019/09/amspeechbaugh.pdf https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/sites.wustl.edu/dist/3/2151/fi...

vortegne 4y ago
I see your point. And of course it's not a 100% accurate thing, but you know what I mean. Being admissible in court as evidence and furthering representation of a group are two completely different things.

drexlspivey 4y ago

Accent depends on where you were born/raised, not on your race.

33955985 4y ago
For the purposes of this discussion, this is a distinction without a difference. “Black voice” is a term of art, meant to convey that the voices in question were trained on features commonly associated with African American English. The voices in the example are US English voices. Race, ethnicity, accent, language — all of these are complex topics with plenty of nuances. Short of writing a dissertation, no simple reply on a web forum will appropriately capture them. The good news is, we don’t need to, since most Americans are familiar with African American English, whether they know the term itself or not, because African Americans have constituted a distinct culture in the US for all of the country’s history.
- drexlspivey 4y ago
  This answer might have ben reasonable if US was the only place on earth. When I hear Giannis Antetokoumpo speak english for example he sounds exactly like a Spanish/Greek person speaking English even though the native population of these places is white.
  - 33955985 4y ago
    The US is Apple’s primary market and the focus of this campaign.