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I see what you mean. I don't think it's racist though if you're classifying artists by their style, to classify those that focus on painting black people with t

I see what you mean. I don't think it's racist though if you're classifying artists by their style, to classify those that focus on painting black people with that kind of style as such. Because you're classifying the style, not the artists' skin color (and there's logically a correlation between black artists and artists that focus on depicting black people). You could argue maybe that using the letter "n" could be seen as racist. It's a US centric view however, in other places n would be fine (n for negro in Spanish for example) For all I know automatic might be super racist, I'm just playing devils advocate, and I like to assume the best of in people.

violini 4y ago
I think the main problem here is that people are enjoying the witch hunt too much, and this prevents them from weighting up alternative explanations that aren't as dramatic. My first assumption on encountering a table field with a standalone "n" would be that it's an abbreviation of "no". So I'm surprised people are assuming so strongly here that this is instead code for a racist word. This is quite a harsh accusation, given the lack of evidence. It will be quite embarrassing all round if this just turns out to be a run-of-the-mill copyright strike, or similar.
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- vintermann 4y ago
  Fine. But you don't have to go with your first assumption. If, say, the guy had made mods smirking at the George Floyd protests, had made skin-color mods, and had also said "no comment" when asked what the 'n' and 'c' tags represented, would you still go with your first assumption? That he's clearly more than a little racist isn't enough for me to defend nuking the guy's account without warning or explanation. But it is enough to make me think twice about blindly downloading and running the guy's code (which also downloads a lot of stuff). Who knows what other norms of basic decency this anonymous person from 4chan would violate. Edit: apparently all the git pulling and bash+curling happens during install, and not fully automatically afterwards. It does not strictly speaking self-update.
- Filligree 4y ago
  > My first assumption on encountering a table field with a standalone "n" would be that it's an abbreviation of "no". So I'm surprised people are assuming so strongly here that this is instead code for a racist word. This is quite a harsh accusation, given the lack of evidence. So I loaded up A111, selected the 'n' category, and ran a few pictures using random artists from said category. The results were all black. The category itself is actually useful to me, now that I know it exists — I use the AI to generate illustrations for my fanfiction, and getting non-white, non-asian outputs is difficult at best — but labelling it "n" is, uh, suspicious. In combination with everything else, I don't think there's really any doubts about his thought process here. :(
Semaphor 4y ago
Playing advocate to your advocate: Then why have the category as n when all (?) others are full words or even multiple? And they are all in English, black comes to mind first for black. Regarding the content: That would still be a questionable classification, but even more so for someone like "RETNA (Marquis Lewis)" who rarely ever seems to depict people. All in all it’s very sketchy, though one could probably construct ways it’s not racist, and it might not even be racist, though I doubt it.
- cypress66 4y ago
  Maybe RETNA is mislabeled, and the general idea is to group artists with a "black style". I think the most likely scenario is that automatic's trying to group that style, which is fair and the purpose of those categories after all, and him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word, so that's what came to his mind.
  - nightpool 4y ago
    And you still don't see how that could be considered racist, like you said in your previous comment? How "him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word" might be inconsistent with you "assuming the best of people."?
    - cypress66 4y ago
      That would be racist. Even if I think that's the most likely situation, I give him the benefit of the doubt, that's what I meant.

violini 4y ago

I think the main problem here is that people are enjoying the witch hunt too much, and this prevents them from weighting up alternative explanations that aren't as dramatic. My first assumption on encountering a table field with a standalone "n" would be that it's an abbreviation of "no". So I'm surprised people are assuming so strongly here that this is instead code for a racist word. This is quite a harsh accusation, given the lack of evidence. It will be quite embarrassing all round if this just turns out to be a run-of-the-mill copyright strike, or similar.

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vintermann 4y ago
Fine. But you don't have to go with your first assumption. If, say, the guy had made mods smirking at the George Floyd protests, had made skin-color mods, and had also said "no comment" when asked what the 'n' and 'c' tags represented, would you still go with your first assumption? That he's clearly more than a little racist isn't enough for me to defend nuking the guy's account without warning or explanation. But it is enough to make me think twice about blindly downloading and running the guy's code (which also downloads a lot of stuff). Who knows what other norms of basic decency this anonymous person from 4chan would violate. Edit: apparently all the git pulling and bash+curling happens during install, and not fully automatically afterwards. It does not strictly speaking self-update.
Filligree 4y ago
> My first assumption on encountering a table field with a standalone "n" would be that it's an abbreviation of "no". So I'm surprised people are assuming so strongly here that this is instead code for a racist word. This is quite a harsh accusation, given the lack of evidence. So I loaded up A111, selected the 'n' category, and ran a few pictures using random artists from said category. The results were all black. The category itself is actually useful to me, now that I know it exists — I use the AI to generate illustrations for my fanfiction, and getting non-white, non-asian outputs is difficult at best — but labelling it "n" is, uh, suspicious. In combination with everything else, I don't think there's really any doubts about his thought process here. :(

Semaphor 4y ago

Playing advocate to your advocate: Then why have the category as n when all (?) others are full words or even multiple? And they are all in English, black comes to mind first for black. Regarding the content: That would still be a questionable classification, but even more so for someone like "RETNA (Marquis Lewis)" who rarely ever seems to depict people. All in all it’s very sketchy, though one could probably construct ways it’s not racist, and it might not even be racist, though I doubt it.

cypress66 4y ago
Maybe RETNA is mislabeled, and the general idea is to group artists with a "black style". I think the most likely scenario is that automatic's trying to group that style, which is fair and the purpose of those categories after all, and him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word, so that's what came to his mind.
- nightpool 4y ago
  And you still don't see how that could be considered racist, like you said in your previous comment? How "him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word" might be inconsistent with you "assuming the best of people."?
  - cypress66 4y ago
    That would be racist. Even if I think that's the most likely situation, I give him the benefit of the doubt, that's what I meant.