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At some point, someone will (re)discover the Linux Kernel development model again and announce that chatting over a mailing list, reporting bugs over (self-host

by dig1 4y ago

At some point, someone will (re)discover the Linux Kernel development model again and announce that chatting over a mailing list, reporting bugs over (self-hosted) Bugzilla and sending patches via mail is the best thing since sliced bread ;)

bayindirh 4y ago
That's called source hut (https://sourcehut.org https://sourcehut.org), which I use with great delight.
- bongobingo1 4y ago
  sourcehut has some pretty major ui stumbles IMO, particularly the unlinked nature of a project, eg: Get from https://git.sr.ht/~tsileo/microblog.pub https://git.sr.ht/~tsileo/microblog.pub to the ticket list. The ticket writing interface is pretty lackluster, mostly because its stuffed over the side and previewing shrinks the interface each time. Pretty sure its an intentional, or at least a side effect, of the component nature of srht's codebase (afaik), where each part is a separate service. The rest is from its no/minimal-js design. I don't make it, so I'm not saying it must be changed, but I find it annoying to use at best, and doubt I am alone. But they're probably not targeting me so ... It's also pretty slow, not sure if it has global hosting. I do very much appreciate that it doesn't try to gamify anything, I wish I could disable gh from tracking follows/stars/stats - I can greasemonkey them away but I still know they exist, which leaves me the temptation to check. Strictly a personal issue but it still exists.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    > previewing shrinks the interface each time. I don't think it's intended and I'm failing to reproduce the issue you mentioned in Firefox 108. Maybe report a bug to the mailing list? > The ticket writing interface is pretty lackluster... I think this simplicity is intentional, and as an old folk, I actually dig that look. Having almost no JS around (I failed to find any so far) is also nice from my point of view. Being composed a lot of parts feels chunky sometimes, but being able to compose projects out of repos, and having free-hanging repos without projects is also a great plus from my point of view. It fits how I work perfectly. > It's also pretty slow, not sure if it has global hosting. It's currently hosted in a single server in the US, but it will be moved to Europe (Netherlands I assume) to a more powerful infrastructure, so the speed will recover. At the end of the day, while it's not perfect, it's perfect for me, my mindset and philosophy today. I'm a happy paying customer. Also Drew listens feedback and answers frankly, which I like a lot.
- dist1ll 4y ago
  SourceHut as a solution to centralized censorship is...questionable. SourceHut bans anything blockchain/crypto related from their platform.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    > SourceHut as a solution to centralized censorship is...ironic. It's not a solution to a centralized censorship. You can self-host it if you want. > SourceHut literally bans anything blockchain/crypto related from their platform. It's their platform, they can decide what to do with it. However, I support SourceHut's view on this, because I also didn't see anything useful came out of blockchain/cryptocurrency scene. Moreover, you can send your project in for vetting if you are so sure that it's something really beneficial. The ban is not a curtain / we'll ban you no matter what variety. To directly cite: > We will exercise discretion when applying this rule. If you believe that your use-case for cryptocurrency or blockchain is not plagued by these social problems, you may ask for permission to host it on SourceHut, or appeal its removal, by contacting support. [0] [0]: https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurrency/ https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurre...
  - jamespo 4y ago
    can't they just do that development on the blockchain itself?
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      Git is the original blockchain, actually. :D Just distribute it to many hosts, and you're done. Post-commit hooks on one server can do that with no effort. A TV company built a CDN like that. They pushed the data to Git, and it propagated in a fanning out fashion.
- gavinhoward 4y ago
  SourceHut will ban you for being racist too. Or anything the founder thinks seems bigoted enough. [1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418598
  - 5560675260 4y ago
    Huh, now I regret giving SourceHut money. Looks like self-hosting is only sane, judgment-free option.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    If GitHub can suspend accounts because of "links on wiki led to sites that contained pictures that didn't align with github's values"[0] (as we have seen with AUTOMATIC1111 [1]), Source Hut can reject service to anyone they want. It's their business and their decision. At least the owner (Drew) is direct and honest about it. We, as consumers have the right to not make business with companies which we don't like, too. I have left GitHub over Copilot issue for example. If you don't agree with views or ToS of Source Hut, don't use it. It's that simple. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34262598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34262598 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34257818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34257818
    - gavinhoward 4y ago
      Yeah, sure, but I was just letting other consumers know Drew's position, so they could make their decision about whether to use it or not. I didn't even pass judgment on it in my comment. I made it a simple statement of fact.
      - bayindirh 4y ago
        > I didn't even pass judgment on it in my comment. That's of course true, however only putting SourceHut into the picture like that creates an unintended insinuation[0], like only SourceHut is doing such things. Any and every company will make such decisions about their users, regardless of their size. We all need to keep that in mind. I just wanted to balance your comment, actually. Not to imply that you're pointing fingers or something. On the other hand, I'd rather know who made the decision about an outcome involving me, rather than getting canned e-mail replies churned out by corporate machinery. [0]: https://xkcd.com/641/ https://xkcd.com/641/
themaninthedark 4y ago
First someone will have to buy GitHub from Microsoft and we will have to write a bunch or articles about how it is bad for someone to be able to control source code.

by dig1 4y ago

bayindirh 4y ago

That's called source hut (https://sourcehut.org https://sourcehut.org), which I use with great delight.

bongobingo1 4y ago
sourcehut has some pretty major ui stumbles IMO, particularly the unlinked nature of a project, eg: Get from https://git.sr.ht/~tsileo/microblog.pub https://git.sr.ht/~tsileo/microblog.pub to the ticket list. The ticket writing interface is pretty lackluster, mostly because its stuffed over the side and previewing shrinks the interface each time. Pretty sure its an intentional, or at least a side effect, of the component nature of srht's codebase (afaik), where each part is a separate service. The rest is from its no/minimal-js design. I don't make it, so I'm not saying it must be changed, but I find it annoying to use at best, and doubt I am alone. But they're probably not targeting me so ... It's also pretty slow, not sure if it has global hosting. I do very much appreciate that it doesn't try to gamify anything, I wish I could disable gh from tracking follows/stars/stats - I can greasemonkey them away but I still know they exist, which leaves me the temptation to check. Strictly a personal issue but it still exists.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  > previewing shrinks the interface each time. I don't think it's intended and I'm failing to reproduce the issue you mentioned in Firefox 108. Maybe report a bug to the mailing list? > The ticket writing interface is pretty lackluster... I think this simplicity is intentional, and as an old folk, I actually dig that look. Having almost no JS around (I failed to find any so far) is also nice from my point of view. Being composed a lot of parts feels chunky sometimes, but being able to compose projects out of repos, and having free-hanging repos without projects is also a great plus from my point of view. It fits how I work perfectly. > It's also pretty slow, not sure if it has global hosting. It's currently hosted in a single server in the US, but it will be moved to Europe (Netherlands I assume) to a more powerful infrastructure, so the speed will recover. At the end of the day, while it's not perfect, it's perfect for me, my mindset and philosophy today. I'm a happy paying customer. Also Drew listens feedback and answers frankly, which I like a lot.
dist1ll 4y ago
SourceHut as a solution to centralized censorship is...questionable. SourceHut bans anything blockchain/crypto related from their platform.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  > SourceHut as a solution to centralized censorship is...ironic. It's not a solution to a centralized censorship. You can self-host it if you want. > SourceHut literally bans anything blockchain/crypto related from their platform. It's their platform, they can decide what to do with it. However, I support SourceHut's view on this, because I also didn't see anything useful came out of blockchain/cryptocurrency scene. Moreover, you can send your project in for vetting if you are so sure that it's something really beneficial. The ban is not a curtain / we'll ban you no matter what variety. To directly cite: > We will exercise discretion when applying this rule. If you believe that your use-case for cryptocurrency or blockchain is not plagued by these social problems, you may ask for permission to host it on SourceHut, or appeal its removal, by contacting support. [0] [0]: https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurrency/ https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurre...
- jamespo 4y ago
  can't they just do that development on the blockchain itself?
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    Git is the original blockchain, actually. :D Just distribute it to many hosts, and you're done. Post-commit hooks on one server can do that with no effort. A TV company built a CDN like that. They pushed the data to Git, and it propagated in a fanning out fashion.
gavinhoward 4y ago
SourceHut will ban you for being racist too. Or anything the founder thinks seems bigoted enough. [1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418598
- 5560675260 4y ago
  Huh, now I regret giving SourceHut money. Looks like self-hosting is only sane, judgment-free option.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  If GitHub can suspend accounts because of "links on wiki led to sites that contained pictures that didn't align with github's values"[0] (as we have seen with AUTOMATIC1111 [1]), Source Hut can reject service to anyone they want. It's their business and their decision. At least the owner (Drew) is direct and honest about it. We, as consumers have the right to not make business with companies which we don't like, too. I have left GitHub over Copilot issue for example. If you don't agree with views or ToS of Source Hut, don't use it. It's that simple. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34262598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34262598 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34257818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34257818
  - gavinhoward 4y ago
    Yeah, sure, but I was just letting other consumers know Drew's position, so they could make their decision about whether to use it or not. I didn't even pass judgment on it in my comment. I made it a simple statement of fact.
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      > I didn't even pass judgment on it in my comment. That's of course true, however only putting SourceHut into the picture like that creates an unintended insinuation[0], like only SourceHut is doing such things. Any and every company will make such decisions about their users, regardless of their size. We all need to keep that in mind. I just wanted to balance your comment, actually. Not to imply that you're pointing fingers or something. On the other hand, I'd rather know who made the decision about an outcome involving me, rather than getting canned e-mail replies churned out by corporate machinery. [0]: https://xkcd.com/641/ https://xkcd.com/641/

themaninthedark 4y ago

First someone will have to buy GitHub from Microsoft and we will have to write a bunch or articles about how it is bad for someone to be able to control source code.