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Strange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside. This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more

Strange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside. This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more damning view, aside from the triple parentheses: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/comment/j319m3k/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...

londons_explore 4y ago
And none of the triple parentheses contain peoples names or anything that could be considered religious... I'd guess this was enforced by someone reading a corporate policy that said "if you see triple parentheses, it's hate speech, ban the account".
- isoprophlex 4y ago
  Maybe, yes. On further investigation (see reddit) there also seems to be a CSV file with artist names in the repo. Black artists have a string 'n' in some unspecified column. I can't check myself if this might mean something else, eg. if other ethnicities also have this string... but there are some suspicious things going on in a that repo for sure. More than just the parentheses.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    The n identifier has a valid place in a world trying to say the output is racist. It is not exclusively applied to any skin color either.
iinnPP 4y ago
I read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.) Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier. I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me, akin to paint which lets you pick a color (let's go with purple) for skin. The Rimworld mod cited apparently comes with an "all white, all black, and all yellow" version. The only version mentioned by the angry folks is the white one. Does anyone know the truth of the matter above?
- Semaphor 4y ago
  n: There are also black artists tagged that way who seem to very rarely depict people at all. And both the white and 1+ of the n-tagged black artists depicted some non-black people. Rimworld: It was whites only at first, black only got added later and then integrated.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    Thank you. Personally I would not call any of the actions racist. The first one can be a legitimate use case with an incredibly poor choice of identifier (or incredibly good in at least one scenario). The mod being updated kind of argues for itself. I think I will see on the side of caution and call it ignorance instead of malice. The scenario is one where the n is completely harmless and the purported(on Reddit) word was nowhere in the mind when being typed. Seems like the kind of thing GitHub should reach out to people about before acting on. At least where there is any (even farfetched) possible explanation.
    - isoprophlex 4y ago
      Yeah it's all very confusing, and the thing that is most sorely missing is some human communication from github about the why of this ban.
  - themaninthedark 4y ago
    Huggingrear stated in a different thread that "he made the WhiteOnly mod as a response to existing mods which removed white people" I don't know how you would validate this but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
jojobas 4y ago
Those other "damning" examples are still idiotic and misguided. TL/DR he made a "white only", "black only" and "yellow only" mods for NPCs in some game and somebody apparently misinterpreted a tag in an artists list file.
- isoprophlex 4y ago
  Interesting. Maybe I was fooled by some deliberate outrage machine. I only read about the "white only" mod. Not the other two. Talk about cherry-picking... The silver lining of this bullshit is that this again underscores how important critical thinking is.
  - jojobas 4y ago
    If you think making 3 such mods is not racist yet just one is, think again.
    - isoprophlex 4y ago
      I'm not disagreeing with you. To be clear: I find any of those mods to be distasteful, pointless and potentially harmful. What makes me sad is the amount of effort needed to figure out A) why could github have banned this account, B) knowing that, do I feel this is fair or an over-reaction I planned to use this repo professionally, so getting to the bottom of this is important to me. Instead of clarity, there's outrage and selective reporting; I couldn't find anything conclusive so far.
      - jojobas 4y ago
        Consider this: if an American might want to see a game/movie/whatever where the NPC population representative of America, a Russian/Chinese might want to enjoy a game where where it is representative of Russia/China. If that is distasteful or harmful then so are Netflix adaptations.
    - iinnPP 4y ago
      None of it is racist nor problematic. As an example, there are plenty of racist things a black only mod enables. Yellow only I would use if I still liked The Simpsons and played the game in question.
pelasaco 4y ago
from the thread, thats sounds confusing https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/comment/j31e9i1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co... " ...including removing any non-white characters from Rimworld You should also mention there are two counterpart mods called "black only" and "yellow only" "

londons_explore 4y ago

And none of the triple parentheses contain peoples names or anything that could be considered religious... I'd guess this was enforced by someone reading a corporate policy that said "if you see triple parentheses, it's hate speech, ban the account".

isoprophlex 4y ago
Maybe, yes. On further investigation (see reddit) there also seems to be a CSV file with artist names in the repo. Black artists have a string 'n' in some unspecified column. I can't check myself if this might mean something else, eg. if other ethnicities also have this string... but there are some suspicious things going on in a that repo for sure. More than just the parentheses.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  The n identifier has a valid place in a world trying to say the output is racist. It is not exclusively applied to any skin color either.

iinnPP 4y ago

I read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.) Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier. I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me, akin to paint which lets you pick a color (let's go with purple) for skin. The Rimworld mod cited apparently comes with an "all white, all black, and all yellow" version. The only version mentioned by the angry folks is the white one. Does anyone know the truth of the matter above?

Semaphor 4y ago
n: There are also black artists tagged that way who seem to very rarely depict people at all. And both the white and 1+ of the n-tagged black artists depicted some non-black people. Rimworld: It was whites only at first, black only got added later and then integrated.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  Thank you. Personally I would not call any of the actions racist. The first one can be a legitimate use case with an incredibly poor choice of identifier (or incredibly good in at least one scenario). The mod being updated kind of argues for itself. I think I will see on the side of caution and call it ignorance instead of malice. The scenario is one where the n is completely harmless and the purported(on Reddit) word was nowhere in the mind when being typed. Seems like the kind of thing GitHub should reach out to people about before acting on. At least where there is any (even farfetched) possible explanation.
  - isoprophlex 4y ago
    Yeah it's all very confusing, and the thing that is most sorely missing is some human communication from github about the why of this ban.
- themaninthedark 4y ago
  Huggingrear stated in a different thread that "he made the WhiteOnly mod as a response to existing mods which removed white people" I don't know how you would validate this but it doesn't seem unreasonable.

jojobas 4y ago

Those other "damning" examples are still idiotic and misguided. TL/DR he made a "white only", "black only" and "yellow only" mods for NPCs in some game and somebody apparently misinterpreted a tag in an artists list file.

isoprophlex 4y ago
Interesting. Maybe I was fooled by some deliberate outrage machine. I only read about the "white only" mod. Not the other two. Talk about cherry-picking... The silver lining of this bullshit is that this again underscores how important critical thinking is.
- jojobas 4y ago
  If you think making 3 such mods is not racist yet just one is, think again.
  - isoprophlex 4y ago
    I'm not disagreeing with you. To be clear: I find any of those mods to be distasteful, pointless and potentially harmful. What makes me sad is the amount of effort needed to figure out A) why could github have banned this account, B) knowing that, do I feel this is fair or an over-reaction I planned to use this repo professionally, so getting to the bottom of this is important to me. Instead of clarity, there's outrage and selective reporting; I couldn't find anything conclusive so far.
    - jojobas 4y ago
      Consider this: if an American might want to see a game/movie/whatever where the NPC population representative of America, a Russian/Chinese might want to enjoy a game where where it is representative of Russia/China. If that is distasteful or harmful then so are Netflix adaptations.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    None of it is racist nor problematic. As an example, there are plenty of racist things a black only mod enables. Yellow only I would use if I still liked The Simpsons and played the game in question.

pelasaco 4y ago

from the thread, thats sounds confusing https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/comment/j31e9i1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co... " ...including removing any non-white characters from Rimworld You should also mention there are two counterpart mods called "black only" and "yellow only" "