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> They're right about the power struggle, but only because to them everything is a power struggle and we all just happen to be in one caused by this discorporea

> They're right about the power struggle, but only because to them everything is a power struggle and we all just happen to be in one caused by this discorporeality from tech. I don't know if I believe that. The problem with the post-modernistic lens of power struggle is that it has a tendency to discount totally the evolutionary basis of how we perceive things and how the preservation and/or pursuit of power is geared toward spreading ones genes. Most postmodernist just go and say that it is societal construction that originate and persist power structures without a component of biology. Humans have the possibility to transcend ones biology but only when we have the resources to do so, which is not known to most postmodernists what I've seen.

BlueTemplar 4y ago
[Citation needed] For instance, Foucault's claim is that we have moved from sovereign power that takes life (and its proceeds) away to one which takes control of it in order to optimize production. With a backing of experts-diffused scientific norms rather than based on law. And biology itself is of course also suspicious, having been corrupted by power. (Note that it isn't that much of a big deal in the postmodernist view of science, where we consider that it cannot be taken as Truth, only as a good enough paradigm that could be falsified tomorrow.)
- JanneVee 4y ago
  What do you need citation for? Why can't my observation about the discussion from adherents of post modern philosophy today be basis for discussion on hacker news? Or do your thought need citation for your thoughts? Sure my thoughts are derived from someone else. For example Donald Hoffmans - The case against reality ... Do I need to cite it to make my disbelief that it is only power structures and there is no evolutionary basis for our power structures.
  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    For your claims about the so called "adherents of post modern philosophy" ? And Donald Hoffman seems to be a pretty good example of them ? "Evolution literally hides the truth from us on purpose." https://www.socsci.uci.edu/newsevents/news/2019/2019-07-22-hoffman-reality.php https://www.socsci.uci.edu/newsevents/news/2019/2019-07-22-h... (Thanks by the way, I have been dabbling in visual sciences myself, will have to get his books now.)
    - JanneVee 4y ago
      Well he might be a post modernist in the literal sense but as the entry point to this discussion is about power structures on how they might have gotten it right. But what I see is people having things backwards with e.g. the corruption of biology by the power structures, it is backwards the powerful abuse our biology against us with e.g. compulsion loops that are proven by neorology with dopamnine system. The power structures didn't create the dopamnine system an its role in creating addictions, but the power structures uses and/or abuses that knowledge. For example we have the post modern field of "fat studies" where they blame society for having power structures against their body size. Which is exactly the wrong way. The powerstructure is there to make them unhealthy because they make a profit of using humans evolutionary craving for high-caloric foods against them. That view point is totally discounted that the whole "healthy at every size" plays right in the hands of the powerful not the powerless.

BlueTemplar 4y ago

[Citation needed] For instance, Foucault's claim is that we have moved from sovereign power that takes life (and its proceeds) away to one which takes control of it in order to optimize production. With a backing of experts-diffused scientific norms rather than based on law. And biology itself is of course also suspicious, having been corrupted by power. (Note that it isn't that much of a big deal in the postmodernist view of science, where we consider that it cannot be taken as Truth, only as a good enough paradigm that could be falsified tomorrow.)

JanneVee 4y ago
What do you need citation for? Why can't my observation about the discussion from adherents of post modern philosophy today be basis for discussion on hacker news? Or do your thought need citation for your thoughts? Sure my thoughts are derived from someone else. For example Donald Hoffmans - The case against reality ... Do I need to cite it to make my disbelief that it is only power structures and there is no evolutionary basis for our power structures.
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  For your claims about the so called "adherents of post modern philosophy" ? And Donald Hoffman seems to be a pretty good example of them ? "Evolution literally hides the truth from us on purpose." https://www.socsci.uci.edu/newsevents/news/2019/2019-07-22-hoffman-reality.php https://www.socsci.uci.edu/newsevents/news/2019/2019-07-22-h... (Thanks by the way, I have been dabbling in visual sciences myself, will have to get his books now.)
  - JanneVee 4y ago
    Well he might be a post modernist in the literal sense but as the entry point to this discussion is about power structures on how they might have gotten it right. But what I see is people having things backwards with e.g. the corruption of biology by the power structures, it is backwards the powerful abuse our biology against us with e.g. compulsion loops that are proven by neorology with dopamnine system. The power structures didn't create the dopamnine system an its role in creating addictions, but the power structures uses and/or abuses that knowledge. For example we have the post modern field of "fat studies" where they blame society for having power structures against their body size. Which is exactly the wrong way. The powerstructure is there to make them unhealthy because they make a profit of using humans evolutionary craving for high-caloric foods against them. That view point is totally discounted that the whole "healthy at every size" plays right in the hands of the powerful not the powerless.