3 ms·

It's not poor people, it's people without equality of opportunities, tied by family weights, unable to become enterpreneurs even if they really want to because

It's not poor people, it's people without equality of opportunities, tied by family weights, unable to become enterpreneurs even if they really want to because society around them has collapsed. Emigration is, so far, the only solution (even if painful), but despite being college-educated and very capable, the western world doesn't want them--not easy to get visas of any kind. And 50+ year old people don't feel like moving at all, because their country used to be fine and is now, very deep in, their home. One can always pretend that nothing has changed--we humans have perfected the art of self deception. Was it their fault that it collapsed? That's a slippery slope. I have no answer. But the current situation of Argentina may serve as a comparison reference to any over-hyped news of "collapse" or "martial law required to fix the economy in the USA": the USA is doing fine, thank you, as can be seen in this very forum of enterpreneurs.

Tichy 18y ago
Did those people bring it about themselves: without really knowing the story of Argentina (except dictator, brutal torturing and stuff), I would wager to say YES. Probably it was another case of communism gone wild. And that is why an attitude like the one from the "second world" you quoted annoys me a bit, frankly. It annoys me if people don't even try to understand the "financial crisis" or what is causing it, and instead simply scapegoat some imagined rich people whom they blame for everything. Because that is exactly the attitude that then makes the real shit happen, communism, fascism, civil war and the likes. I am not saying that I don't feel sorry for the poor, complex systems are hard to understand, and I can not paint you a complete picture of the financial crisis, either. It is important to try to understand it to avoid making the same systems as in the past.
- albertcardona 18y ago
  I agree with you. Yet my friends' imagined "rich people" are everyone living in a developed country. I.e. "rich people" means something entirely different to him. Some people was born after the collapse, or were children at the time. Yet the first world handles them just the same way as their perhaps accountable parents. And exactly how is their fault in any way? So from their perspective, the whole situation is just unfair, and the cries of self-pity of large financial institutions very much out of place. Also: here is an account of how life is currently in a country that used to be just fine, and now is totally broken down: http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1 http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ub... Search for "We understood it the same way a kid understands photosynthesis" for a description of how it feels to have the process explained of how a large middle class falls down to a low class, and when that means your own class in your own country. I found it heart-shattering.

Tichy 18y ago

Did those people bring it about themselves: without really knowing the story of Argentina (except dictator, brutal torturing and stuff), I would wager to say YES. Probably it was another case of communism gone wild. And that is why an attitude like the one from the "second world" you quoted annoys me a bit, frankly. It annoys me if people don't even try to understand the "financial crisis" or what is causing it, and instead simply scapegoat some imagined rich people whom they blame for everything. Because that is exactly the attitude that then makes the real shit happen, communism, fascism, civil war and the likes. I am not saying that I don't feel sorry for the poor, complex systems are hard to understand, and I can not paint you a complete picture of the financial crisis, either. It is important to try to understand it to avoid making the same systems as in the past.

albertcardona 18y ago
I agree with you. Yet my friends' imagined "rich people" are everyone living in a developed country. I.e. "rich people" means something entirely different to him. Some people was born after the collapse, or were children at the time. Yet the first world handles them just the same way as their perhaps accountable parents. And exactly how is their fault in any way? So from their perspective, the whole situation is just unfair, and the cries of self-pity of large financial institutions very much out of place. Also: here is an account of how life is currently in a country that used to be just fine, and now is totally broken down: http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1 http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ub... Search for "We understood it the same way a kid understands photosynthesis" for a description of how it feels to have the process explained of how a large middle class falls down to a low class, and when that means your own class in your own country. I found it heart-shattering.