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"high state spending for mediocre outcomes" "NIMBY housing policy in every major metro" Prove it and show me it's not an issue in other states "Unsustainable

"high state spending for mediocre outcomes" "NIMBY housing policy in every major metro" Prove it and show me it's not an issue in other states "Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert. " According to ABC https://abcnews.go.com/US/map-ongoing-water-crises-happening-us-now/story?id=89454219 https://abcnews.go.com/US/map-ongoing-water-crises-happening... This is a major issue in other states. In fact Jackson Mississippi ran out of water last year yet this hasn't happened in CA "

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> This is a major issue in other states. In fact Jackson Mississippi ran out of water last year yet this hasn't happened in CA " California gets preferential use of the Colorado river. https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/colorado-river-water-california/ https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/colorado-river-wa...
- themitigating 4y ago
  So you're moving the goal post from "water issues " to "unfair control of water sources"? I assume you'll have an argument about why their preferential control of the Colorado river is wrong? It must be difficult for you right now after you've continually digested right wing opinion that "California is bad" not asking if there was substance behind that premise.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    I'm not the OP. I actually like the initiative system. I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights. Which explains why "this hasn't happened in CA". If you fully read the article I linked you'd see that water restrictions have indeed happened at various times over the years in California. Part of the reason California hasn't "run out of water" like Jackson Mississippi are these water use restrictions imposed during droughts: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/24/california-adopts-more-aggressive-water-conservation-measures/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/24/california-adopts-more-agg... And I'll point out that the person you originally responded to wrote "Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert". You goal-post moved this true statement (plus or minus the "mostly desert") to a comparison to other states which also have water problems, one of which had a city actually run out of water.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights. There is a reason the word “senior” is used for those rights; those were part of the established landscape when the upstream states use developed.
      - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        Yes, sure. I don't see how that detracts from the point I made, or the original poster in this thread made. A pound of carbon dioxide is the same problem wherever it is emitted. Likewise a gallon of water from the Colorado is the same problem wherever it is taken out. The Colorado water supply problems are equally the responsibility (and fault) of California as they are the other states and Mexico which pull water from it. Legalese doesn't change this. California's water use has recently been unsustainable. Much of this water is used to irrigate formerly arid lands which have historically been used for high water needs agriculture. This is true.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > California gets preferential use of the Colorado river So, it has relative (compared to upstream users, of which Mississippi is not one) security for about 11% of its annual water supply, due to having established need and uses earlier. Not sure what your point is, though.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    See my reply to themitigating below.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago

> This is a major issue in other states. In fact Jackson Mississippi ran out of water last year yet this hasn't happened in CA " California gets preferential use of the Colorado river. https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/colorado-river-water-california/ https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/colorado-river-wa...

themitigating 4y ago
So you're moving the goal post from "water issues " to "unfair control of water sources"? I assume you'll have an argument about why their preferential control of the Colorado river is wrong? It must be difficult for you right now after you've continually digested right wing opinion that "California is bad" not asking if there was substance behind that premise.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  I'm not the OP. I actually like the initiative system. I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights. Which explains why "this hasn't happened in CA". If you fully read the article I linked you'd see that water restrictions have indeed happened at various times over the years in California. Part of the reason California hasn't "run out of water" like Jackson Mississippi are these water use restrictions imposed during droughts: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/24/california-adopts-more-aggressive-water-conservation-measures/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/24/california-adopts-more-agg... And I'll point out that the person you originally responded to wrote "Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert". You goal-post moved this true statement (plus or minus the "mostly desert") to a comparison to other states which also have water problems, one of which had a city actually run out of water.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights. There is a reason the word “senior” is used for those rights; those were part of the established landscape when the upstream states use developed.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      Yes, sure. I don't see how that detracts from the point I made, or the original poster in this thread made. A pound of carbon dioxide is the same problem wherever it is emitted. Likewise a gallon of water from the Colorado is the same problem wherever it is taken out. The Colorado water supply problems are equally the responsibility (and fault) of California as they are the other states and Mexico which pull water from it. Legalese doesn't change this. California's water use has recently been unsustainable. Much of this water is used to irrigate formerly arid lands which have historically been used for high water needs agriculture. This is true.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> California gets preferential use of the Colorado river So, it has relative (compared to upstream users, of which Mississippi is not one) security for about 11% of its annual water supply, due to having established need and uses earlier. Not sure what your point is, though.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  See my reply to themitigating below.