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Lawyer: Trudeau government gag order in MKUltra case silences victims (2017)

24 points by VagueMag 4y ago

zzz345345 4y ago
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- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  It’s critical of a government and the intelligence community, so yes most likely
  - gus_massa 4y ago
    I don't expect the post to be killed. This source looks serious, but anyway it may help to link to other serious sources about it, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadia...
  - dang 4y ago
    You guys seem to be under some kind of misimpression. I/we don't care about that.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      They're just remarking about how Canadian you are.
      - deleted 4y ago
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sillystuff 4y ago
Here is some background. These experiments were part of the United States CIA's MKUltra mind control experiments. The victims of the CIA program span several countries: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadia...
reducesuffering 4y ago
"[Dr. Ewen Cameron, of McGill University], who was also co-founder of the World Psychiatric Association, ran experiments called "psychic driving" and "depatterning" that attempted to erase a patient's memories and reprogram them with new thoughts. The [Canadian] federal government provided Cameron with more than $500,000 between 1950 and 1965 — $4 million in today's dollars — along with a smaller amount of funding from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, using a front organization called the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology." Calling this "CIA brainwashing" is quite hyperbole.
- VagueMag 4y ago
  This was all done as part of Project MKULTRA at the behest of the CIA. They kept the program's real backing well hidden by enlisting institutions like universities and foreign governments and providing funding through them as fronts. It's probably a good bet some other money was sent Canada's way to reimburse them for these expenses.
- trehalose 4y ago
  > The records show that Steel's mother was one of the hundreds of human guinea pigs in Cameron's extreme experiments. > In February 1957, Jean Steel arrived at the Allan Memorial Institute with a severe case of postpartum depression. She was in and out of the psychiatric hospital over more than three years. > Steel and the patients were given LSD and other experimental drugs, subjected to intensive shock treatments and put into drug-induced comas where they slept for weeks at a time. > They were forced to listen to looped recorded messages for hours on end and even while they slept. > Alison Steel said her father told her that "one time when he tried to take [Jean] back, she tried jumping out of the car. That's how bad she didn't want to go." Dr. Ewen Cameron was a respected psychiatrist and first director of the Allan Memorial Institute, the psychiatric facility at McGill University where the brainwashing experiments took place from 1950 to 1965. (CBC) > None of the patients provided consent or knew that they were being used for Cameron's CIA and federally funded research. Instead, they were wrongly told their treatments were medically necessary and for their own well-being. If this isn't brainwashing, what is?
dang 4y ago
Discussed at the time (of the article): Canadian government gag order in CIA brainwashing case - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15930994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15930994 - Dec 2017 (128 comments)

24 points by VagueMag 4y ago

zzz345345 4y ago

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sn0w_crash 4y ago
It’s critical of a government and the intelligence community, so yes most likely
- gus_massa 4y ago
  I don't expect the post to be killed. This source looks serious, but anyway it may help to link to other serious sources about it, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadia...
- dang 4y ago
  You guys seem to be under some kind of misimpression. I/we don't care about that.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    They're just remarking about how Canadian you are.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]

sillystuff 4y ago

Here is some background. These experiments were part of the United States CIA's MKUltra mind control experiments. The victims of the CIA program span several countries: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadia...

reducesuffering 4y ago

"[Dr. Ewen Cameron, of McGill University], who was also co-founder of the World Psychiatric Association, ran experiments called "psychic driving" and "depatterning" that attempted to erase a patient's memories and reprogram them with new thoughts. The [Canadian] federal government provided Cameron with more than $500,000 between 1950 and 1965 — $4 million in today's dollars — along with a smaller amount of funding from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, using a front organization called the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology." Calling this "CIA brainwashing" is quite hyperbole.

VagueMag 4y ago
This was all done as part of Project MKULTRA at the behest of the CIA. They kept the program's real backing well hidden by enlisting institutions like universities and foreign governments and providing funding through them as fronts. It's probably a good bet some other money was sent Canada's way to reimburse them for these expenses.
trehalose 4y ago
> The records show that Steel's mother was one of the hundreds of human guinea pigs in Cameron's extreme experiments. > In February 1957, Jean Steel arrived at the Allan Memorial Institute with a severe case of postpartum depression. She was in and out of the psychiatric hospital over more than three years. > Steel and the patients were given LSD and other experimental drugs, subjected to intensive shock treatments and put into drug-induced comas where they slept for weeks at a time. > They were forced to listen to looped recorded messages for hours on end and even while they slept. > Alison Steel said her father told her that "one time when he tried to take [Jean] back, she tried jumping out of the car. That's how bad she didn't want to go." Dr. Ewen Cameron was a respected psychiatrist and first director of the Allan Memorial Institute, the psychiatric facility at McGill University where the brainwashing experiments took place from 1950 to 1965. (CBC) > None of the patients provided consent or knew that they were being used for Cameron's CIA and federally funded research. Instead, they were wrongly told their treatments were medically necessary and for their own well-being. If this isn't brainwashing, what is?

dang 4y ago

Discussed at the time (of the article): Canadian government gag order in CIA brainwashing case - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15930994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15930994 - Dec 2017 (128 comments)