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McLuhan's idea of being discorporeal, or without a body, being only a representation or a symbol pretty much sums up the culture right now. As neutrally as I ca
by motohagiography 4y ago
McLuhan's idea of being discorporeal, or without a body, being only a representation or a symbol pretty much sums up the culture right now. As neutrally as I can manage, that sums up the divide that makes political differences so irreconcilable. More than just being reduced to symbols to each other, the polarization is between people who believe symbols and the represented are the real, and those who believe there exists a real independent of the represented or experienced. We're in the power vacuum created by this discorporeal existence McLuhan predicted, and filling that vaccum is the source of the conflict.
I'd take it a step further where the conservative mind is defined by belief in a real (the real) where pursuit and alignment to truth is the highest good, and whereas the progressive understanding is that the real is whatever one represents or experiences it to be over the substrate of a power struggle. They're right about the power struggle, but only because to them everything is a power struggle and we all just happen to be in one caused by this discorporeality from tech. Sort of a stopped-clock waiting for a Marxist moment. Personally, I think it's a materialist understanding that has no belief at all, and it substitutes a system of criticism for the physical experience that produces a sustainable morality. However, while I don't expect them to care, I am very interested in the problem of how to diffuse these conflicts I believe are the roots of the kind of cyclical and generational genocial wars for which our species seems about due.
McLuhan was right about a lot of things, and probably was more concrete and useful than the more fashionable ideas of Baudrillard and the other post modernists. McLuhan was also a fairly devout catholic, which might explain how he could riff on the same broad critical themes as the atheistic critical theorists, but with a more right handedness instead of left hand perspective. His conservatism is probably what ultimately caused him to fall out of academic fashion, not unlike Rene Girard, where they both had an almost scientific level of predictive power, but the post-hoc explanatory power of the marxist theorists was ultimately more seductive to undergrad minds. These latter ones asked, "who needs all these other abstract things like good, truth, stability, freedom, when you can just seize the power?" And so we have a generation of politically activated adults who are organizing to rule over the ashes of civilization.
A bit abstract for HN, but you post Marshall McLuhan, this is about par. I have a book of his essays on my shelf I thought about revisiting, but it's a bit like reading an engineering manual after the ship has struck the iceberg, where if you're only reading it now, it's probably too late. :)
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- JanneVee 4y ago> They're right about the power struggle, but only because to them everything is a power struggle and we all just happen to be in one caused by this discorporeality from tech. I don't know if I believe that. The problem with the post-modernistic lens of power struggle is that it has a tendency to discount totally the evolutionary basis of how we perceive things and how the preservation and/or pursuit of power is geared toward spreading ones genes. Most postmodernist just go and say that it is societal construction that originate and persist power structures without a component of biology. Humans have the possibility to transcend ones biology but only when we have the resources to do so, which is not known to most postmodernists what I've seen.
- BlueTemplar 4y ago[Citation needed] For instance, Foucault's claim is that we have moved from sovereign power that takes life (and its proceeds) away to one which takes control of it in order to optimize production. With a backing of experts-diffused scientific norms rather than based on law. And biology itself is of course also suspicious, having been corrupted by power. (Note that it isn't that much of a big deal in the postmodernist view of science, where we consider that it cannot be taken as Truth, only as a good enough paradigm that could be falsified tomorrow.)
- JanneVee 4y agoWhat do you need citation for? Why can't my observation about the discussion from adherents of post modern philosophy today be basis for discussion on hacker news? Or do your thought need citation for your thoughts? Sure my thoughts are derived from someone else. For example Donald Hoffmans - The case against reality ... Do I need to cite it to make my disbelief that it is only power structures and there is no evolutionary basis for our power structures.
- BlueTemplar 4y ago