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> Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process lea

> Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process leaves breadcrumbs everywhere. It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. > When it works according to plan you won't hear about it, but it doesn't always. For example: Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? Anyone with PACER access would see this. > This is also dead wrong, lawsuits still continue to this day against uploaders Give an example? > but the vast majority of them never go to court since they're forced into paying settlements, the terms of which are rarely disclosed to the public. Nonsense, they just ask you to sign a paper saying you won’t do it again. For example this guy, one of the most prolific BTN uploaders https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-by-alliance-for-creativity-entertainment-210511/ https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-... They just politely asked him to stop, that’s all. They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit.

autoexec 4y ago
> It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. Different sites use different means. You can create a throwaway email address, but it's just one more data point. > Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? If the site operator agrees to keep the site up while data is collected there is no court order. Every site operator who gets raided ends up facing some legal consequences but the details of the deals they work out with the industry are not made available for the public > Give an example? https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... Outside the US lawsuits continue as well (examples): https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-canadians-for-watching-pirated-movies-online https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-can... https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectual-property/copyright-case-against-internet-subscribers-who-shared-pirated-film-proceeds-to-trial/367632 https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectua... https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-120tb-of-pirated-content-avoids-prison-221128/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-1... > They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit. Not even remotely true. Please don't assume this. I'm aware that they have made exceptions in cases where people were literally impoverished but fines are typical in settlement offers.
- lfodofod 4y ago
  > https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... This is about people downloading torrents from public trackers. These law firms do not care about private trackers, there is more money to be made on public trackers. What these law firms definitely don’t care about is going after uploaders, that would obviously ruin their business model.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    > This is about people downloading torrents from public trackers. No. all lawsuits are about uploading. The nature of BitTorrent is that typically every file you download is also being uploaded at the same time and it's the uploading (the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works) that gets people in trouble, not the downloading. As I said, they're very much still suing people for uploading. Public trackers are the low hanging fruit, but when a private tracker gets raided they'll jump at the chance. > What these law firms definitely don’t care about is going after uploaders, that would obviously ruin their business model. The RIAA/MPA have zero concerns that they're going to run out of people to sue. It will never happen. Their goal however, believe it or not, really is to try to slow down internet piracy though. Right now, their largest cash cow is at the ISP level, where they intend to force ISPs to permanently disconnect pirates from the internet and never allow them to have another account after nothing more than repeated and unproven claims that an infringement took place. If they wanted pirates to continue so they could drag them into court rooms they wouldn't bother with these "repeat offender" suits which will effectively cut people off from the internet entirely since people have limited options for ISPs.
    - lfodofod 4y ago
      > Public trackers are the low hanging fruit, but when a private tracker gets raided they'll jump at the chance. Do you have evidence to support this happening, or are you just speculating? How many people got in trouble after the What.CD raid? It’s extremely rare for private trackers to get raided, and not because of excellent OPSEC.

autoexec 4y ago

> It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. Different sites use different means. You can create a throwaway email address, but it's just one more data point. > Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? If the site operator agrees to keep the site up while data is collected there is no court order. Every site operator who gets raided ends up facing some legal consequences but the details of the deals they work out with the industry are not made available for the public > Give an example? https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... Outside the US lawsuits continue as well (examples): https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-canadians-for-watching-pirated-movies-online https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-can... https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectual-property/copyright-case-against-internet-subscribers-who-shared-pirated-film-proceeds-to-trial/367632 https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectua... https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-120tb-of-pirated-content-avoids-prison-221128/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-1... > They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit. Not even remotely true. Please don't assume this. I'm aware that they have made exceptions in cases where people were literally impoverished but fines are typical in settlement offers.

lfodofod 4y ago
> https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... This is about people downloading torrents from public trackers. These law firms do not care about private trackers, there is more money to be made on public trackers. What these law firms definitely don’t care about is going after uploaders, that would obviously ruin their business model.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > This is about people downloading torrents from public trackers. No. all lawsuits are about uploading. The nature of BitTorrent is that typically every file you download is also being uploaded at the same time and it's the uploading (the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works) that gets people in trouble, not the downloading. As I said, they're very much still suing people for uploading. Public trackers are the low hanging fruit, but when a private tracker gets raided they'll jump at the chance. > What these law firms definitely don’t care about is going after uploaders, that would obviously ruin their business model. The RIAA/MPA have zero concerns that they're going to run out of people to sue. It will never happen. Their goal however, believe it or not, really is to try to slow down internet piracy though. Right now, their largest cash cow is at the ISP level, where they intend to force ISPs to permanently disconnect pirates from the internet and never allow them to have another account after nothing more than repeated and unproven claims that an infringement took place. If they wanted pirates to continue so they could drag them into court rooms they wouldn't bother with these "repeat offender" suits which will effectively cut people off from the internet entirely since people have limited options for ISPs.
  - lfodofod 4y ago
    > Public trackers are the low hanging fruit, but when a private tracker gets raided they'll jump at the chance. Do you have evidence to support this happening, or are you just speculating? How many people got in trouble after the What.CD raid? It’s extremely rare for private trackers to get raided, and not because of excellent OPSEC.