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> They force you to create accounts and hand over personal info that can get you busted later when the site gets raided What tracker forces you to hand over pe

> They force you to create accounts and hand over personal info that can get you busted later when the site gets raided What tracker forces you to hand over personal info? > just silently handed off to the authorities who run it themselves for a time to go after the pirates This has literally never happened. > It's gotten people caught many times. MAFIAA groups don’t even bother to sue private tracker uploaders anymore, what do you mean by “caught”? It’s like as if your comment was coming from a parallel universe where industry groups hadn’t stopped giving a shit about private trackers a decade+ ago.

autoexec 4y ago
> What tracker forces you to hand over personal info? Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process leaves breadcrumbs everywhere. > This has literally never happened. It absolutely has. It usually happens after the site operator has been identified. They offer reduced charges if the site operator agrees to continue to keep the site running like normal while they collect the data. When it works according to plan, you won't ever hear about it. The site just eventually shuts down one day and the people busted with the data they collect are contacted directly. Sometimes it gets out though. For example: https://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-ordered-to-spy-on-its-users-on-behalf-of-the-mpaa/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-ordered-to-spy-on-its-us... > MAFIAA groups don’t even bother to sue private tracker uploaders anymore, what do you mean by “caught”? This is also dead wrong, lawsuits still continue to this day against uploaders, but the vast majority of them never make it to a courtroom since the person they caught is usually forced into settlements, the terms of which are rarely disclosed to the public, but nearly always involve paying large sums of money and an admission of guilt. Their main focus isn't on targeting uploaders because they now know they can get billions from suing ISPs, but these site raids are huge wins for them and they aren't turning down opportunity when it lands right in their laps.
- lfodofod 4y ago
  > Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process leaves breadcrumbs everywhere. It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. > When it works according to plan you won't hear about it, but it doesn't always. For example: Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? Anyone with PACER access would see this. > This is also dead wrong, lawsuits still continue to this day against uploaders Give an example? > but the vast majority of them never go to court since they're forced into paying settlements, the terms of which are rarely disclosed to the public. Nonsense, they just ask you to sign a paper saying you won’t do it again. For example this guy, one of the most prolific BTN uploaders https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-by-alliance-for-creativity-entertainment-210511/ https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-... They just politely asked him to stop, that’s all. They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    > It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. Different sites use different means. You can create a throwaway email address, but it's just one more data point. > Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? If the site operator agrees to keep the site up while data is collected there is no court order. Every site operator who gets raided ends up facing some legal consequences but the details of the deals they work out with the industry are not made available for the public > Give an example? https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... Outside the US lawsuits continue as well (examples): https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-canadians-for-watching-pirated-movies-online https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-can... https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectual-property/copyright-case-against-internet-subscribers-who-shared-pirated-film-proceeds-to-trial/367632 https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectua... https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-120tb-of-pirated-content-avoids-prison-221128/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-1... > They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit. Not even remotely true. Please don't assume this. I'm aware that they have made exceptions in cases where people were literally impoverished but fines are typical in settlement offers.
justaj 4y ago
> What tracker forces you to hand over personal info? I've seen at least one which required you to connect using your real (non-VPN) IP address upon registration. They'd allow VPN usage after that though.

autoexec 4y ago

> What tracker forces you to hand over personal info? Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process leaves breadcrumbs everywhere. > This has literally never happened. It absolutely has. It usually happens after the site operator has been identified. They offer reduced charges if the site operator agrees to continue to keep the site running like normal while they collect the data. When it works according to plan, you won't ever hear about it. The site just eventually shuts down one day and the people busted with the data they collect are contacted directly. Sometimes it gets out though. For example: https://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-ordered-to-spy-on-its-users-on-behalf-of-the-mpaa/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-ordered-to-spy-on-its-us... > MAFIAA groups don’t even bother to sue private tracker uploaders anymore, what do you mean by “caught”? This is also dead wrong, lawsuits still continue to this day against uploaders, but the vast majority of them never make it to a courtroom since the person they caught is usually forced into settlements, the terms of which are rarely disclosed to the public, but nearly always involve paying large sums of money and an admission of guilt. Their main focus isn't on targeting uploaders because they now know they can get billions from suing ISPs, but these site raids are huge wins for them and they aren't turning down opportunity when it lands right in their laps.

lfodofod 4y ago
> Every one I've ever seen. At a minimum they'll want an email address or to chat with you on some service like discord that requires a sign up. The process leaves breadcrumbs everywhere. It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. > When it works according to plan you won't hear about it, but it doesn't always. For example: Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? Anyone with PACER access would see this. > This is also dead wrong, lawsuits still continue to this day against uploaders Give an example? > but the vast majority of them never go to court since they're forced into paying settlements, the terms of which are rarely disclosed to the public. Nonsense, they just ask you to sign a paper saying you won’t do it again. For example this guy, one of the most prolific BTN uploaders https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-by-alliance-for-creativity-entertainment-210511/ https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-release-group-ntg-shut-down-... They just politely asked him to stop, that’s all. They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > It’s kind of trivial to get a throwaway email address, no? What tracker uses discord? All the big ones use IRC. Different sites use different means. You can create a throwaway email address, but it's just one more data point. > Your example is a very public lawsuit by the MPAA against a public tracker? If the site operator agrees to keep the site up while data is collected there is no court order. Every site operator who gets raided ends up facing some legal consequences but the details of the deals they work out with the industry are not made available for the public > Give an example? https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cases-by-state-january-2022/ https://www.cashmanlawfirm.com/list-of-strike-3-holdings-cas... Outside the US lawsuits continue as well (examples): https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-canadians-for-watching-pirated-movies-online https://www.mosshacheylaw.com/blog/movie-producers-suing-can... https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectual-property/copyright-case-against-internet-subscribers-who-shared-pirated-film-proceeds-to-trial/367632 https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/intellectua... https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-120tb-of-pirated-content-avoids-prison-221128/ https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-user-who-transferred-1... > They won’t demand money from you unless you’re making a profit. Not even remotely true. Please don't assume this. I'm aware that they have made exceptions in cases where people were literally impoverished but fines are typical in settlement offers.

justaj 4y ago

> What tracker forces you to hand over personal info? I've seen at least one which required you to connect using your real (non-VPN) IP address upon registration. They'd allow VPN usage after that though.