> If a proper process is actually cheaper, shouldn't companies that don't have one die out? Is this happening or not? Why? Is a proper process cheaper? Maybe i

> If a proper process is actually cheaper, shouldn't companies that don't have one die out? Is this happening or not? Why? Is a proper process cheaper? Maybe it is directly, but requires hiring better programmers who cost more. Which of course has all sorts of benefits, but like the proper process itself, maybe that's only a win in the long term, so some companies don't do it. (Also many companies would like to hire good programmers, but don't know how to, and also don't know how to hire someone who knows how...)