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it's always really strange to me whenever someone enthusiastically advocates that others use experimental drugs whose long-term side effects have not yet been d

it's always really strange to me whenever someone enthusiastically advocates that others use experimental drugs whose long-term side effects have not yet been discovered. if you want to try em yourself then go for it I guess, but I'm good thanks. it's interesting to take a step back and realize just how much pharmaceutical corporations have got average people to think it's perfectly normal to try putting random chemical compositions into their bodies and see what happens. maybe nothing will happen. maybe you'll get some mild nausea. maybe you'll suddenly develop an urge to kill yourself. but just try it and see what happens! ask your doctor if it's right for you (and if they get any kickbacks from it).

sarchertech 4y ago
It’s illegal for doctors to get kickbacks in the US. The most the average doctors gets is lunch provided to go to a lecture from a drug company. A free lunch isn’t enough to convince anyone to sit through an hour long lecture they weren’t already going to. But if you’re worried that your doctor is one of the small percentage of doctors who is paid to give those lectures, you can look them up. All payments are publicly available. You can easily find exactly how much they were paid, when, and for what. (The $20 in provided lunch is also required to be reported).
pmarreck 4y ago
> have got average people to think it's perfectly normal to try putting random chemical compositions into their bodies and see what happens This smells like you devoured some anti-vaxxer BS, btw. But for the record, these things go through a ton of testing and clinical trials. The reason science types are excited is BECAUSE this class of drug looks safe AND effective... based on the data. (And I'm also down 35+ lbs on tirzepatide, so far. This is the way.)
- adamrezich 4y ago
  if expressing any less-than-positive opinions about pharmaceutical corporations is enough for you to make an immediate learned mental association with a popular dismissive political buzzword label, then I suggest asking yourself why exactly this is the first thing that came to mind, and what that might mean from a marketing perspective. I was prescribed 20mg daily of time-release amphetamines when I was 13, and that was 18 years ago. I have consumed somewhere in the range of 1300 grams of amphetamines in this time period. I have a dependency on it and I hate it. whose idea was it to give a 13-year-old amphetamines just because he spent too much time thinking about computers instead of focusing on middle school classwork. and a good mix of various antidepressants, none of which worked and all of which had unpleasant side effects. the medical system in this country, which its pharmaceutical corporations are fully complicit in, is far from pure and righteous and unquestionably benevolent. if marketing (or propaganda, depending on how you want to look at it) has conditioned you to believe otherwise, then I don't know what else I can tell you.
  - pmarreck 4y ago
    That's fair, but speaking as an occasional 15mg Adderall XR person for about 10 years now- You're not addicted to it. The downer when you go off it will take a few days (I take 2 days, you may take a day or 2 more) and will be a bitch, but it will pass. I go off mine on weekends so that I don't adapt to it.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      this has not been my experience. I have tried for up to four days before and it's just miserable, it's like all the bad parts of being stoned and drunk and none of the good parts. when you've been on something since adolescence it's hard to break away. after I re-accrue time off after my wedding this coming summer I'm thinking about about taking a week off to try to go clean again but I'm deathly afraid of the sheer drop-off in productivity that will occur. I have lived more of my life on this drug than not, and getting off of it terrifies me, even though I hate it.
      - pmarreck 4y ago
        Maybe take a vacation off work for more than a week and do it then, when it's relatively safer? You can sleep it off (you will need to sleep more).

sarchertech 4y ago

It’s illegal for doctors to get kickbacks in the US. The most the average doctors gets is lunch provided to go to a lecture from a drug company. A free lunch isn’t enough to convince anyone to sit through an hour long lecture they weren’t already going to. But if you’re worried that your doctor is one of the small percentage of doctors who is paid to give those lectures, you can look them up. All payments are publicly available. You can easily find exactly how much they were paid, when, and for what. (The $20 in provided lunch is also required to be reported).

pmarreck 4y ago

> have got average people to think it's perfectly normal to try putting random chemical compositions into their bodies and see what happens This smells like you devoured some anti-vaxxer BS, btw. But for the record, these things go through a ton of testing and clinical trials. The reason science types are excited is BECAUSE this class of drug looks safe AND effective... based on the data. (And I'm also down 35+ lbs on tirzepatide, so far. This is the way.)

adamrezich 4y ago
if expressing any less-than-positive opinions about pharmaceutical corporations is enough for you to make an immediate learned mental association with a popular dismissive political buzzword label, then I suggest asking yourself why exactly this is the first thing that came to mind, and what that might mean from a marketing perspective. I was prescribed 20mg daily of time-release amphetamines when I was 13, and that was 18 years ago. I have consumed somewhere in the range of 1300 grams of amphetamines in this time period. I have a dependency on it and I hate it. whose idea was it to give a 13-year-old amphetamines just because he spent too much time thinking about computers instead of focusing on middle school classwork. and a good mix of various antidepressants, none of which worked and all of which had unpleasant side effects. the medical system in this country, which its pharmaceutical corporations are fully complicit in, is far from pure and righteous and unquestionably benevolent. if marketing (or propaganda, depending on how you want to look at it) has conditioned you to believe otherwise, then I don't know what else I can tell you.
- pmarreck 4y ago
  That's fair, but speaking as an occasional 15mg Adderall XR person for about 10 years now- You're not addicted to it. The downer when you go off it will take a few days (I take 2 days, you may take a day or 2 more) and will be a bitch, but it will pass. I go off mine on weekends so that I don't adapt to it.
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    this has not been my experience. I have tried for up to four days before and it's just miserable, it's like all the bad parts of being stoned and drunk and none of the good parts. when you've been on something since adolescence it's hard to break away. after I re-accrue time off after my wedding this coming summer I'm thinking about about taking a week off to try to go clean again but I'm deathly afraid of the sheer drop-off in productivity that will occur. I have lived more of my life on this drug than not, and getting off of it terrifies me, even though I hate it.
    - pmarreck 4y ago
      Maybe take a vacation off work for more than a week and do it then, when it's relatively safer? You can sleep it off (you will need to sleep more).