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Agreed. The problem with web ‘apps’ (as opposed to web ‘pages’) is that they are completely controlled by the remote server. They turn your computer into a thin

Agreed. The problem with web ‘apps’ (as opposed to web ‘pages’) is that they are completely controlled by the remote server. They turn your computer into a thin client controlled by “the cloud” where every mouse movement can be used to track and profile you. This is why Google wants to crush Safari. The ideal is locally running libre software implementing open protocols. Web pages should be static documents only. Apple of course wants proprietary local apps so i dont support either Google or Apple’s vision.

no_way 4y ago
You clearly never looked into how much tracking mobile apps have. There are a lot of tracking SDKs which literally track every click. At least on the web you can block things where mobile is black box.
- smcleod 4y ago
  You have a lot more control over things running on your device / network - regardless of what they _try_ to do.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    Your browser is running locally on your own network. These comments are out of touch with the reality of web and native apps of the last decade
- NotPractical 4y ago
  > The ideal is locally running libre software implementing open protocols
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    In contrast to the typical mobile user, this is a very niche M.O. Not practical for most I would say.
edgyquant 4y ago
This is exactly what mobile apps are as well though. All apps today are thin clients utilizing a remote backend
- smcleod 4y ago
  That's not even close to true, I suspect you're severely biased as to how you use a mobile device. Only about half of my most used mobile apps are used online let alone 'a thin front end for remote backend'. Bear, Obsidian, Camera, Activity / Health, Things, Photos, Pixelmator, Hue, Music, iMovie, Home, AiWriter, Prompt, Water Minder, Yomu - I use all of these primarily offline / locally. Even the apps that are very much for use with online services aren't simply thin wrappers - they're proper applications that fetch remote data when online, store and process locally - Podcasts / Overcast, Reeder, Mail, Working Copy, 1Password (7), LunaSea, Audible, Plex etc... And if I think about what the apps on my phone that are closer to "thin" clients - IMDB, Goodreads, Banking, LinkedIn, Amazon, Slack etc - all of which are pretty janky compared to those previously mentioned.

no_way 4y ago

You clearly never looked into how much tracking mobile apps have. There are a lot of tracking SDKs which literally track every click. At least on the web you can block things where mobile is black box.

smcleod 4y ago
You have a lot more control over things running on your device / network - regardless of what they _try_ to do.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  Your browser is running locally on your own network. These comments are out of touch with the reality of web and native apps of the last decade
NotPractical 4y ago
> The ideal is locally running libre software implementing open protocols
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  In contrast to the typical mobile user, this is a very niche M.O. Not practical for most I would say.

edgyquant 4y ago

This is exactly what mobile apps are as well though. All apps today are thin clients utilizing a remote backend

smcleod 4y ago
That's not even close to true, I suspect you're severely biased as to how you use a mobile device. Only about half of my most used mobile apps are used online let alone 'a thin front end for remote backend'. Bear, Obsidian, Camera, Activity / Health, Things, Photos, Pixelmator, Hue, Music, iMovie, Home, AiWriter, Prompt, Water Minder, Yomu - I use all of these primarily offline / locally. Even the apps that are very much for use with online services aren't simply thin wrappers - they're proper applications that fetch remote data when online, store and process locally - Podcasts / Overcast, Reeder, Mail, Working Copy, 1Password (7), LunaSea, Audible, Plex etc... And if I think about what the apps on my phone that are closer to "thin" clients - IMDB, Goodreads, Banking, LinkedIn, Amazon, Slack etc - all of which are pretty janky compared to those previously mentioned.