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> the last browser vendor not financially dependent on google. Apple takes billions from Google for them to be the default search engine. Unsure if that counts

> the last browser vendor not financially dependent on google. Apple takes billions from Google for them to be the default search engine. Unsure if that counts as 'dependant' or not, but it's not an insignificant amount of money, and Apple doesn't seem to be a in a hurry to give that up.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
Yup. Its a strange situation, but basically Apple could fund development of Safari with iPhone sales, and as long as Google isnt too pushy about making web apps threaten the App Store monopoly, apple will gladly take a cool extra billion dollars a year to make Google the default search engine. But Apple is not dependent on Google the way Chrome and Firefox are.
BuckyBeaver 4y ago
And yet Apple has thus bar made it impossible to use Chrome (and its clones) on iOS. I once bemoaned Apple's insistence on WebKit; I now recognize that it's the only thing stopping the total takeover of Chrome on the Web, and a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..."
- dylan604 4y ago
  > a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..." We are there in every way other than the banner/badge being present on the website. I see no difference between today vs then from the point that one browser vendor is making browser specific hooks* that devs use that traps them into their browser. *as in hook-line-sinker not coding hooks
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    I never use Chrome, even on the desktop, and have very few problems on the Web. What problems do you encounter?
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Firefox is my main browser for >90% of all browsing. Specifically, Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox. There are other websites that for whatever reason will not function properly on FF. There are other sites as well, but I really don't have the inclination to list them off one by one for you. There's enough in my day to day to know that browsers are not equal, and for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book.
      - lilyball 4y ago
        > Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox Is this because of DRM crap, or some other reason?
        dylan604 4y ago
        Does it matter? It doesn't work, so a non-techy user thinks things are broken. Time for a new browser, and a mental note to argue with their kid/grandkid/niece/nephew/whoever told them FF was so much better to use. It doesn't matter the why or where. If the devs made a site that only works in a specific browser, we are exactly where we were with IE6 bullshit.
      - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
        "for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book." Who was touting that? Meanwhile, I use Safari 100% of the time on the desktop and haven't encountered a problem with Netflix or anything else I can think of at the moment. I'm not saying that this one example disproves your claims; nor did I demand that you "list them off one by one." But by asking for examples to check out, I could actually join you in protesting against those who publish defective sites. P.S. I just fired up Firefox 106.0.5, went to Netflix, and started watching a movie. So... I wonder what's up on your side.
        dylan604 4y ago
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Chrome runs on iOS, iPad and iPhone. Firefox does too.
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    No. Those are just branded skins over a WebKit browser (essentially Safari).

goodSteveramos 4y ago

Yup. Its a strange situation, but basically Apple could fund development of Safari with iPhone sales, and as long as Google isnt too pushy about making web apps threaten the App Store monopoly, apple will gladly take a cool extra billion dollars a year to make Google the default search engine. But Apple is not dependent on Google the way Chrome and Firefox are.

BuckyBeaver 4y ago

And yet Apple has thus bar made it impossible to use Chrome (and its clones) on iOS. I once bemoaned Apple's insistence on WebKit; I now recognize that it's the only thing stopping the total takeover of Chrome on the Web, and a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..."

dylan604 4y ago
> a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..." We are there in every way other than the banner/badge being present on the website. I see no difference between today vs then from the point that one browser vendor is making browser specific hooks* that devs use that traps them into their browser. *as in hook-line-sinker not coding hooks
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  I never use Chrome, even on the desktop, and have very few problems on the Web. What problems do you encounter?
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Firefox is my main browser for >90% of all browsing. Specifically, Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox. There are other websites that for whatever reason will not function properly on FF. There are other sites as well, but I really don't have the inclination to list them off one by one for you. There's enough in my day to day to know that browsers are not equal, and for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book.
    - lilyball 4y ago
      > Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox Is this because of DRM crap, or some other reason?
      - dylan604 4y ago
        Does it matter? It doesn't work, so a non-techy user thinks things are broken. Time for a new browser, and a mental note to argue with their kid/grandkid/niece/nephew/whoever told them FF was so much better to use. It doesn't matter the why or where. If the devs made a site that only works in a specific browser, we are exactly where we were with IE6 bullshit.
    - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
      "for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book." Who was touting that? Meanwhile, I use Safari 100% of the time on the desktop and haven't encountered a problem with Netflix or anything else I can think of at the moment. I'm not saying that this one example disproves your claims; nor did I demand that you "list them off one by one." But by asking for examples to check out, I could actually join you in protesting against those who publish defective sites. P.S. I just fired up Firefox 106.0.5, went to Netflix, and started watching a movie. So... I wonder what's up on your side.
      - dylan604 4y ago
hgsgm 4y ago
Chrome runs on iOS, iPad and iPhone. Firefox does too.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  No. Those are just branded skins over a WebKit browser (essentially Safari).