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So a google employee is defending google for using the exact same anticompetitive app store strategy apple did, and then promotes an attack on apple, the last b

So a google employee is defending google for using the exact same anticompetitive app store strategy apple did, and then promotes an attack on apple, the last browser vendor not financially dependent on google. Look, the EU app store regulations are great, but they should be paired with regulations that ban Google from abusing its search monopoly to subsidize its control over platforms like OS, browser and social media.

madeofpalk 4y ago
> the last browser vendor not financially dependent on google. Apple takes billions from Google for them to be the default search engine. Unsure if that counts as 'dependant' or not, but it's not an insignificant amount of money, and Apple doesn't seem to be a in a hurry to give that up.
- goodSteveramos 4y ago
  Yup. Its a strange situation, but basically Apple could fund development of Safari with iPhone sales, and as long as Google isnt too pushy about making web apps threaten the App Store monopoly, apple will gladly take a cool extra billion dollars a year to make Google the default search engine. But Apple is not dependent on Google the way Chrome and Firefox are.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  And yet Apple has thus bar made it impossible to use Chrome (and its clones) on iOS. I once bemoaned Apple's insistence on WebKit; I now recognize that it's the only thing stopping the total takeover of Chrome on the Web, and a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..."
  - dylan604 4y ago
    > a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..." We are there in every way other than the banner/badge being present on the website. I see no difference between today vs then from the point that one browser vendor is making browser specific hooks* that devs use that traps them into their browser. *as in hook-line-sinker not coding hooks
    - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
      I never use Chrome, even on the desktop, and have very few problems on the Web. What problems do you encounter?
      - dylan604 4y ago
        Firefox is my main browser for >90% of all browsing. Specifically, Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox. There are other websites that for whatever reason will not function properly on FF. There are other sites as well, but I really don't have the inclination to list them off one by one for you. There's enough in my day to day to know that browsers are not equal, and for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book.
        lilyball 4y ago
        > Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox Is this because of DRM crap, or some other reason?
        dylan604 4y ago
        Does it matter? It doesn't work, so a non-techy user thinks things are broken. Time for a new browser, and a mental note to argue with their kid/grandkid/niece/nephew/whoever told them FF was so much better to use. It doesn't matter the why or where. If the devs made a site that only works in a specific browser, we are exactly where we were with IE6 bullshit.
        BuckyBeaver 4y ago
        "for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book." Who was touting that? Meanwhile, I use Safari 100% of the time on the desktop and haven't encountered a problem with Netflix or anything else I can think of at the moment. I'm not saying that this one example disproves your claims; nor did I demand that you "list them off one by one." But by asking for examples to check out, I could actually join you in protesting against those who publish defective sites. P.S. I just fired up Firefox 106.0.5, went to Netflix, and started watching a movie. So... I wonder what's up on your side.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Chrome runs on iOS, iPad and iPhone. Firefox does too.
    - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
      No. Those are just branded skins over a WebKit browser (essentially Safari).
jefftk 4y ago
Alex Russell works for Microsoft, as a PM on Edge. He did used to be at Google, until 2021.
- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  I mean, I have a conspiracy theory that the new Edge was a coup to destroy Microsoft's web platform from within by "former" Google employees hired by Microsoft that I could spin you. But Alex is just very much promoting the concept that Chromium be the sole standard implementation for the web.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    I'd believe that Alex still has a very Google-like view of the web, but not that he's secretly still compensated by Google
    - ocdtrekkie 4y ago
      I don't disagree. Which is why I labeled it a conspiracy theory. ;) But I totally wouldn't be shocked to see it in a tell-all someday either.
    - goodSteveramos 4y ago
      You dont seem to understand how corruption works. Quid pro quo is hilariously easy to avoid doing. If he’s been told to do this by google, then in 5 years he will be back at google with a big fat signing bonus as compensation for sabotaging Microsoft. This seems unlikely tho. He just likes google and promotes it because he is “bought in”.
  - esprehn 4y ago
    You have the history backwards. MS decided to switch to Chromium long before Chrome team googlers went over there.
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summerlight 4y ago
> So a google employee is defending google Who's Google employee here? Looks like the poster used to work for Google but now is working for MS. > for using the exact same anticompetitive app store strategy apple did At least Google does allow having a third party store, thus a third party web engine. This is a significant difference. > should be paired with regulations that ban Google from abusing its search monopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google_by_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google... EU is well aware of this and periodically collecting lots of fines from Google for doing so. I don't remember the EU applying the same level of antitrust regulations for Apple, though it paid a lot for Double Irish arrangement.

madeofpalk 4y ago

> the last browser vendor not financially dependent on google. Apple takes billions from Google for them to be the default search engine. Unsure if that counts as 'dependant' or not, but it's not an insignificant amount of money, and Apple doesn't seem to be a in a hurry to give that up.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
Yup. Its a strange situation, but basically Apple could fund development of Safari with iPhone sales, and as long as Google isnt too pushy about making web apps threaten the App Store monopoly, apple will gladly take a cool extra billion dollars a year to make Google the default search engine. But Apple is not dependent on Google the way Chrome and Firefox are.
BuckyBeaver 4y ago
And yet Apple has thus bar made it impossible to use Chrome (and its clones) on iOS. I once bemoaned Apple's insistence on WebKit; I now recognize that it's the only thing stopping the total takeover of Chrome on the Web, and a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..."
- dylan604 4y ago
  > a return to the dark ages of "this site works best with..." We are there in every way other than the banner/badge being present on the website. I see no difference between today vs then from the point that one browser vendor is making browser specific hooks* that devs use that traps them into their browser. *as in hook-line-sinker not coding hooks
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    I never use Chrome, even on the desktop, and have very few problems on the Web. What problems do you encounter?
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Firefox is my main browser for >90% of all browsing. Specifically, Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox. There are other websites that for whatever reason will not function properly on FF. There are other sites as well, but I really don't have the inclination to list them off one by one for you. There's enough in my day to day to know that browsers are not equal, and for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book.
      - lilyball 4y ago
        > Netflix on macOS does not work in Firefox Is this because of DRM crap, or some other reason?
        dylan604 4y ago
        Does it matter? It doesn't work, so a non-techy user thinks things are broken. Time for a new browser, and a mental note to argue with their kid/grandkid/niece/nephew/whoever told them FF was so much better to use. It doesn't matter the why or where. If the devs made a site that only works in a specific browser, we are exactly where we were with IE6 bullshit.
      - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
        "for someone to even seriously consider touting that all websites work equally well in all browsers is just trying to be a troll in my book." Who was touting that? Meanwhile, I use Safari 100% of the time on the desktop and haven't encountered a problem with Netflix or anything else I can think of at the moment. I'm not saying that this one example disproves your claims; nor did I demand that you "list them off one by one." But by asking for examples to check out, I could actually join you in protesting against those who publish defective sites. P.S. I just fired up Firefox 106.0.5, went to Netflix, and started watching a movie. So... I wonder what's up on your side.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Chrome runs on iOS, iPad and iPhone. Firefox does too.
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    No. Those are just branded skins over a WebKit browser (essentially Safari).

jefftk 4y ago

Alex Russell works for Microsoft, as a PM on Edge. He did used to be at Google, until 2021.

ocdtrekkie 4y ago
I mean, I have a conspiracy theory that the new Edge was a coup to destroy Microsoft's web platform from within by "former" Google employees hired by Microsoft that I could spin you. But Alex is just very much promoting the concept that Chromium be the sole standard implementation for the web.
- jefftk 4y ago
  I'd believe that Alex still has a very Google-like view of the web, but not that he's secretly still compensated by Google
  - ocdtrekkie 4y ago
    I don't disagree. Which is why I labeled it a conspiracy theory. ;) But I totally wouldn't be shocked to see it in a tell-all someday either.
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    You dont seem to understand how corruption works. Quid pro quo is hilariously easy to avoid doing. If he’s been told to do this by google, then in 5 years he will be back at google with a big fat signing bonus as compensation for sabotaging Microsoft. This seems unlikely tho. He just likes google and promotes it because he is “bought in”.
- esprehn 4y ago
  You have the history backwards. MS decided to switch to Chromium long before Chrome team googlers went over there.

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summerlight 4y ago

> So a google employee is defending google Who's Google employee here? Looks like the poster used to work for Google but now is working for MS. > for using the exact same anticompetitive app store strategy apple did At least Google does allow having a third party store, thus a third party web engine. This is a significant difference. > should be paired with regulations that ban Google from abusing its search monopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google_by_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google... EU is well aware of this and periodically collecting lots of fines from Google for doing so. I don't remember the EU applying the same level of antitrust regulations for Apple, though it paid a lot for Double Irish arrangement.