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People can read it natively in the social app they find themselves already in. Also makes it easier for such readers to share, increasing the post/thread's reac

People can read it natively in the social app they find themselves already in. Also makes it easier for such readers to share, increasing the post/thread's reach.

smeagull 4y ago
I can't. Twitter paywalls after scrolling a little bit.
- aqfamnzc 4y ago
  In some ways, I'm glad when twitter, reddit, etc. do things like aggressively pushing to the app or to login because it reminds me of the incentives involved and literally, actively discourages me from using their service.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  You're not the target audience unfortunately. Without an account, and a curated follow list, you're likely not using the site for content discovery.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Requiring a free account is not a paywall. It takes less than a minute to create a twitter account.
  - smeagull 4y ago
    That's a cost I'm not willing to pay.
aflag 4y ago
You can also share a link pretty easily.
- rektide 4y ago
  Most people dont scroll through their social feeds to click links. They come to social feeds to see content. I get that some people dont want to have this experience. But this here is using the medium as intended. It fits in the scene & participates actively with others, in a way that going-off-and-doing-your-own-isolated-thing (then linking to it) doesnt. It'd be so nice if we didnt have to keep having this debate every single time. There's advantages to both. Recognizing & accepting that different things can be happening in the world & that you should maybe have a little flexibility about it seems like the mature response I'd hope for.
  - wintogreen74 4y ago
    Yes, why can't we all be flexible and mature, just like these disjointed social app threads that prioritize eyeballs, retweets and rash emotional responses over actual content are always promoting!
    - rektide 4y ago
      You definitely have captured the conventional social media boogeyman feel well. I dont think it applies nearly as much to this grass-roots, open-source, distributed, protocols & standards based form. People want a way to talk, converse, connect. Sure there's ways to do it badly, for bad cause, with bad incentive, but this is & most activity on ActivityPub reads as dielectic. As an exploration & search for truth, a desire to understand ourselves, each otger, and the worlds about us better. For sure, we can use communication & connectivity poorly. Are unwilling to imagine though that connection can be a force for good? ActivityPub here is a very very early attempt to create standards where we can explore & innovate, and hopefully some of those fronts indeed show promise of good, for raising up & improving... not just amplifying the rash, the base, the overly emotional, the manipulators. At some point we have to be willing to get beyond the long long long scapegoating & demonizing we've done. We have had very convenient targets to hang the blame on. Maybe less is the only answer, the only possibly, & hope of ever being better is foolish & mistaken, but I hope we can at least entertain that as a question, a possibility, & not act with- ahem- rash emotional fear-based certainty. This seems like a new path where we can be involved enough, have the decisions available, to start pioneering im the addition of responsibility & moderation to our social systems. That possibility excites me, and I hope we can agree is worth trying. Are there other avenues for hope you see? What else might possibly be worthy?
wintogreen74 4y ago
>> People can read it natively in the social app they find themselves already in Not saying you're wrong, but... if it was a blog wouldn't that "native app" be a browser? >> Also makes it easier for such readers to share, increasing the post/thread's reach I think this is a big part of it; it's not about connecting with a few deeply, but many shallow connections. I'd argue that these authors care more about the sharing than the communication aspects TBH.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  > Not saying you're wrong, but... if it was a blog wouldn't that "native app" be a browser? But they come across the content scrolling through a social feed. They'd need to click a link, that opens a new tab (with goodness knows how many ads), to read the content.

People can read it natively in the social app they find themselves already in. Also makes it easier for such readers to share, increasing the post/thread's reach.

smeagull 4y ago

I can't. Twitter paywalls after scrolling a little bit.

aqfamnzc 4y ago
In some ways, I'm glad when twitter, reddit, etc. do things like aggressively pushing to the app or to login because it reminds me of the incentives involved and literally, actively discourages me from using their service.
jonny_eh 4y ago
You're not the target audience unfortunately. Without an account, and a curated follow list, you're likely not using the site for content discovery.
charcircuit 4y ago
Requiring a free account is not a paywall. It takes less than a minute to create a twitter account.
- smeagull 4y ago
  That's a cost I'm not willing to pay.

aflag 4y ago

You can also share a link pretty easily.

rektide 4y ago
Most people dont scroll through their social feeds to click links. They come to social feeds to see content. I get that some people dont want to have this experience. But this here is using the medium as intended. It fits in the scene & participates actively with others, in a way that going-off-and-doing-your-own-isolated-thing (then linking to it) doesnt. It'd be so nice if we didnt have to keep having this debate every single time. There's advantages to both. Recognizing & accepting that different things can be happening in the world & that you should maybe have a little flexibility about it seems like the mature response I'd hope for.
- wintogreen74 4y ago
  Yes, why can't we all be flexible and mature, just like these disjointed social app threads that prioritize eyeballs, retweets and rash emotional responses over actual content are always promoting!
  - rektide 4y ago
    You definitely have captured the conventional social media boogeyman feel well. I dont think it applies nearly as much to this grass-roots, open-source, distributed, protocols & standards based form. People want a way to talk, converse, connect. Sure there's ways to do it badly, for bad cause, with bad incentive, but this is & most activity on ActivityPub reads as dielectic. As an exploration & search for truth, a desire to understand ourselves, each otger, and the worlds about us better. For sure, we can use communication & connectivity poorly. Are unwilling to imagine though that connection can be a force for good? ActivityPub here is a very very early attempt to create standards where we can explore & innovate, and hopefully some of those fronts indeed show promise of good, for raising up & improving... not just amplifying the rash, the base, the overly emotional, the manipulators. At some point we have to be willing to get beyond the long long long scapegoating & demonizing we've done. We have had very convenient targets to hang the blame on. Maybe less is the only answer, the only possibly, & hope of ever being better is foolish & mistaken, but I hope we can at least entertain that as a question, a possibility, & not act with- ahem- rash emotional fear-based certainty. This seems like a new path where we can be involved enough, have the decisions available, to start pioneering im the addition of responsibility & moderation to our social systems. That possibility excites me, and I hope we can agree is worth trying. Are there other avenues for hope you see? What else might possibly be worthy?

wintogreen74 4y ago

>> People can read it natively in the social app they find themselves already in Not saying you're wrong, but... if it was a blog wouldn't that "native app" be a browser? >> Also makes it easier for such readers to share, increasing the post/thread's reach I think this is a big part of it; it's not about connecting with a few deeply, but many shallow connections. I'd argue that these authors care more about the sharing than the communication aspects TBH.

jonny_eh 4y ago
> Not saying you're wrong, but... if it was a blog wouldn't that "native app" be a browser? But they come across the content scrolling through a social feed. They'd need to click a link, that opens a new tab (with goodness knows how many ads), to read the content.