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This is a ridiculous comment. Statistically, there is no weight loss strategy that has been found to work long term at the population level except for bariatric

This is a ridiculous comment. Statistically, there is no weight loss strategy that has been found to work long term at the population level except for bariatric surgery (and now, apparently, these drugs, but we'll see how things look in a few years). Sure, one individual person can pull it off with enough willpower and support and luck. But at a population level, we know definitively that "grind it out with exercise, nutrition, and therapy" is not an effective public health strategy. We are biochemical machines that evolved in a food environment completely unlike the modern world, and that's before you get into possible chemical factors in the environment. If these drugs continue to prove safe—or even they just prove to be less bad than obesity and more effective than other techniques—then there's no reason to dismiss them. Congratulations on being better than the rest of us slobs, but what works for you may not work for everyone.

raincom 4y ago
Even people who had bariatric surgery regain weight substantially.
halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
Never said I'm better. My point is that these solutions are driven by people looking for easy answers to a hard problem. I refuse to believe people need them but only want them and that may be enough for some.
- djur 4y ago
  Saying someone "succumb[ed] to weakness" while you instead "ground it out" and lost weight "the right(er) way" is clearly saying that you're better.
  - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
    You're free to come to that conclusion but that is not my intention. I'm not a better person than OP but I'm arguing there is a better way to attain their goals.
gardenhedge 4y ago
Eating less and exercising works for literally everyone who isn't an edge case.
jononomo 4y ago
The carnivore diet (eat only liver, eggs, and ribeye steaks, and drink only water) would work to cure obesity at a population level. It would also end chronic disease in society.
naasking 4y ago
> But at a population level, we know definitively that "grind it out with exercise, nutrition, and therapy" is not an effective public health strategy. I'm pretty sure most people skip the therapy. Maybe that's the problem. Changing your relationship with your lifestyle and your food involves a commitment to changing yourself. Were I in that position, I'd be more inclined to try psychedelics to change how I think than I would new drugs that mess with metabolism. Another tack we could take is to change the available food options and tax the hell out of problematic foods and heavily subsidize healthier foods. That's a population-level policy that will almost certainly have long term population level effects. > If these drugs continue to prove safe That's just it, long-term effects aren't known.

raincom 4y ago

Even people who had bariatric surgery regain weight substantially.

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago

Never said I'm better. My point is that these solutions are driven by people looking for easy answers to a hard problem. I refuse to believe people need them but only want them and that may be enough for some.

djur 4y ago
Saying someone "succumb[ed] to weakness" while you instead "ground it out" and lost weight "the right(er) way" is clearly saying that you're better.
- halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
  You're free to come to that conclusion but that is not my intention. I'm not a better person than OP but I'm arguing there is a better way to attain their goals.

gardenhedge 4y ago

Eating less and exercising works for literally everyone who isn't an edge case.

jononomo 4y ago

The carnivore diet (eat only liver, eggs, and ribeye steaks, and drink only water) would work to cure obesity at a population level. It would also end chronic disease in society.

naasking 4y ago

> But at a population level, we know definitively that "grind it out with exercise, nutrition, and therapy" is not an effective public health strategy. I'm pretty sure most people skip the therapy. Maybe that's the problem. Changing your relationship with your lifestyle and your food involves a commitment to changing yourself. Were I in that position, I'd be more inclined to try psychedelics to change how I think than I would new drugs that mess with metabolism. Another tack we could take is to change the available food options and tax the hell out of problematic foods and heavily subsidize healthier foods. That's a population-level policy that will almost certainly have long term population level effects. > If these drugs continue to prove safe That's just it, long-term effects aren't known.