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> The problem is not the food. The problem is obesity. Junk food corporations make profit by selling food, and they are extremely good at this. They rely on in

> The problem is not the food. The problem is obesity. Junk food corporations make profit by selling food, and they are extremely good at this. They rely on intense advertising, making the food addictive, targeting children. As a side effect, people get obese since they consume more calories that what they need. I don't know about GLP-1, but my intuition tells me that no drug is going to make eating Mac Donald's and drink Coke healthy, even if it doesn't make you obese.

dcolkitt 4y ago
Non-obese people who eat McDonalds and drink Coke are unequivocally healthier than obese people who adhere to the healthiest diets. There's absolutely zero academic research that disputes that obesity (and exercise) by far is the largest risk factor for diabetes, heart disease, etc.
- str1k3 4y ago
  Wow that's some impressive logical gymnastics. If these people adhere to the "healthiest diets" they will eventually no longer be obese. American food is shit. Most people have no clue what healthy food is, even if they intend to eat a healthy diet.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    This is not very impressive logically. Plenty of non-obese people eat exclusively shitty food.
  - amanj41 4y ago
    You're strawmanning here. Parent commenter clearly meant healthy as in containing only "healthy" foods. If you eat 4,000 calories of brown rice, chicken and broccoli a day you will get fat. Colloquially, though, their diet would be called healthy because of it's constituent foods. Edit: you will get fat assuming you are like most people and do not expend greater than 4k calories / day in total
  - michannne 4y ago
    This is pseudoscience. As long as you consume a certain amount of calories and get your daily nutritions, you can eat whatever you want without getting obese. You can still become obese eating 3000 kcals of salad every day without exercising. Of course, healthy caloric intake will only ensure you don't become obese, you'll still be consuming way more fat/carbs than you should if you eat McDonalds, but it is certainly possible to create a "healthy" everyday-McDonalds diet (but you would be changing the meal to the point it won't be recognizable)
    - myshpa 4y ago
      Calorie is not a calorie. We now know, for example, that fibre is very good for our microbiome. Exclude it from your diet and you'll suffer. > it is certainly possible to create a "healthy" everyday-McDonalds diet (but you would be changing the meal to the point it won't be recognizable) So it is possible or not? Why the quotes? > You can still become obese eating 3000 kcals of salad every day without exercising I'd like to see you try (just salad as you wrote, no oils and animal based products, please).
      - michannne 4y ago
        Not sure if you're being purposefully ignorant or not so I'm not going to engage this discussion, but for anyone reading, this should be basic dietary knowledge
        MonsieurMoony 4y ago
        3000 kcals of salad is huge in terms of volume, so getting obese is practically impossible on such a diet unless it was drowned in dressing. Bodybuilders that are on a cutting phase actually consume higher volume / lower calories foods to still feel satiated.
        akiselev 4y ago
        Kale is one of the most calorie dense leafy greens and it tops out at 80 kcal per 100 grams, meaning you'd need to eat about 3.7 kilograms of kale to get 3000 kcal. That is a lot of kale.
kevinpet 4y ago
I rarely eat junk food, and I'm fat. Your attitude is the same as a religious person telling depressed people they need jesus rather than prozac.
- yodsanklai 4y ago
  I didn't say that all fat people ate junk food, and I didn't say that obese people shouldn't take medication if that could help. Obesity rate in the US didn't got from 10% to 40% in a few decades simply because suddenly everybody started to develop thyroid issues or other condition.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    No, what you said is that food marketing and the amount of sugars and fats in purchased foods are the cause of obesity. Before the 80s, food also was packed with fat and sugar, and advertised constantly. I subjectively feel that people saw far more food advertising in the 80s and before than they do now. And the government diet suggestions were to increase your consumption of carbs and reduce fats. edit: and people definitely drank far more Coke, and McDonald's meals were far less healthy.
    - yodsanklai 4y ago
      > what you said is that food marketing and the amount of sugars and fats in purchased foods are the cause of obesity. Yes, I mean the cause of the obesity epidemics we're witnessing. Not the reason why every single obese person is obese. My subjective feeling as a European traveling to the US is that it's extremely hard to eat healthy food there. In some states, it seems everybody is obese, including children, and I myself need to fight actively not to gain weight there. People there don't seem to realize that their diet is very unhealthy, and I'm not even sure they make the connection with their obesity. And this trend is happening in Europe too, with a few years lag behind the US. But this is only my conviction and I didn't find the data to back up my intuition. How do you explain why obesity rate went from 10% to 40% in a few decades?
- str1k3 4y ago

dcolkitt 4y ago

Non-obese people who eat McDonalds and drink Coke are unequivocally healthier than obese people who adhere to the healthiest diets. There's absolutely zero academic research that disputes that obesity (and exercise) by far is the largest risk factor for diabetes, heart disease, etc.

str1k3 4y ago
Wow that's some impressive logical gymnastics. If these people adhere to the "healthiest diets" they will eventually no longer be obese. American food is shit. Most people have no clue what healthy food is, even if they intend to eat a healthy diet.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  This is not very impressive logically. Plenty of non-obese people eat exclusively shitty food.
- amanj41 4y ago
  You're strawmanning here. Parent commenter clearly meant healthy as in containing only "healthy" foods. If you eat 4,000 calories of brown rice, chicken and broccoli a day you will get fat. Colloquially, though, their diet would be called healthy because of it's constituent foods. Edit: you will get fat assuming you are like most people and do not expend greater than 4k calories / day in total
- michannne 4y ago
  This is pseudoscience. As long as you consume a certain amount of calories and get your daily nutritions, you can eat whatever you want without getting obese. You can still become obese eating 3000 kcals of salad every day without exercising. Of course, healthy caloric intake will only ensure you don't become obese, you'll still be consuming way more fat/carbs than you should if you eat McDonalds, but it is certainly possible to create a "healthy" everyday-McDonalds diet (but you would be changing the meal to the point it won't be recognizable)
  - myshpa 4y ago
    Calorie is not a calorie. We now know, for example, that fibre is very good for our microbiome. Exclude it from your diet and you'll suffer. > it is certainly possible to create a "healthy" everyday-McDonalds diet (but you would be changing the meal to the point it won't be recognizable) So it is possible or not? Why the quotes? > You can still become obese eating 3000 kcals of salad every day without exercising I'd like to see you try (just salad as you wrote, no oils and animal based products, please).
    - michannne 4y ago
      Not sure if you're being purposefully ignorant or not so I'm not going to engage this discussion, but for anyone reading, this should be basic dietary knowledge
      - MonsieurMoony 4y ago
        3000 kcals of salad is huge in terms of volume, so getting obese is practically impossible on such a diet unless it was drowned in dressing. Bodybuilders that are on a cutting phase actually consume higher volume / lower calories foods to still feel satiated.
        akiselev 4y ago
        Kale is one of the most calorie dense leafy greens and it tops out at 80 kcal per 100 grams, meaning you'd need to eat about 3.7 kilograms of kale to get 3000 kcal. That is a lot of kale.

kevinpet 4y ago

I rarely eat junk food, and I'm fat. Your attitude is the same as a religious person telling depressed people they need jesus rather than prozac.

yodsanklai 4y ago
I didn't say that all fat people ate junk food, and I didn't say that obese people shouldn't take medication if that could help. Obesity rate in the US didn't got from 10% to 40% in a few decades simply because suddenly everybody started to develop thyroid issues or other condition.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  No, what you said is that food marketing and the amount of sugars and fats in purchased foods are the cause of obesity. Before the 80s, food also was packed with fat and sugar, and advertised constantly. I subjectively feel that people saw far more food advertising in the 80s and before than they do now. And the government diet suggestions were to increase your consumption of carbs and reduce fats. edit: and people definitely drank far more Coke, and McDonald's meals were far less healthy.
  - yodsanklai 4y ago
    > what you said is that food marketing and the amount of sugars and fats in purchased foods are the cause of obesity. Yes, I mean the cause of the obesity epidemics we're witnessing. Not the reason why every single obese person is obese. My subjective feeling as a European traveling to the US is that it's extremely hard to eat healthy food there. In some states, it seems everybody is obese, including children, and I myself need to fight actively not to gain weight there. People there don't seem to realize that their diet is very unhealthy, and I'm not even sure they make the connection with their obesity. And this trend is happening in Europe too, with a few years lag behind the US. But this is only my conviction and I didn't find the data to back up my intuition. How do you explain why obesity rate went from 10% to 40% in a few decades?
str1k3 4y ago